A: Their lips are moving:
STUFF: ‘That’s a lie’: We fact-check the fiercest claims from the Stuff Leaders’ Debate...Does it matter what he is referring to if his lips are still moving?
"In short, this claim is misleading...."
"He later said he had misspoken...."
"Luxon’s office said at the time that the correspondence mischaracterised his position...."
"False. Hipkins is referring to ..."
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