Monday, 3 March 2025

'A Day of American Infamy' [update 2]

"In August 1941, about four months before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Franklin Roosevelt met with Winston Churchill aboard warships in Newfoundland’s Placentia Bay and agreed to the Atlantic Charter, a joint declaration by the world’s leading democratic powers on 'common principles' for a postwar world. ...
    "The Charter, and the alliance that came of it [including the supply of military equipment to Britain by Lend-Lease] is a high point of American statesmanship. On Friday in the Oval Office, the world witnessed the opposite. Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s embattled democratic leader, came to Washington prepared to sign away anything he could offer President Trump except his nation’s freedom, security and common sense. For that, he was rewarded with a lecture on manners from the most mendacious vulgarian and ungracious host ever to inhabit the White House.
    "If Roosevelt had told Churchill to sue for peace on any terms with Adolf Hitler and to fork over Britain’s coal reserves to the United States in exchange for no American security guarantees, it might have approximated what Trump did to Zelensky. Whatever one might say about how Zelensky played his cards poorly — either by failing to behave with the degree of all-fours sycophancy that Trump demands or to maintain his composure in the face of JD Vance’s disingenuous provocations — this was a day of American infamy.
    "Where do we go from here?"

~ Bret Stephens from his editorial 'A Day of American Infamy 

PICS: Bottom, war leader Winston Churchill at the White House 3 January 1942, wearing his air-raid suit (Imperial War Museum); top, a war leader at the White House with two thugs (Getty Images) 

UPDATE 1: 
"What does seem clear is that Trump is putting an end to the foreign policy the United States has pursued since the end of World War II. Indeed, his worldview seems to rest on two assumptions that run directly counter to the way in which, for all the serious differences between them, every president since 1945 has thought about America’s role in the world.
    
"The first is that Trump has a fundamentally zero-sum view of the world. America’s relationship with allies like Japan or the United Kingdom has been based on the assumption that both sides would benefit from the partnership. In particular, America would provide its allies with a security guarantee; in return, it would enjoy international stability, reap the benefits of free trade, and have huge sway over the rules governing the world order. Even if the United States might be a net contributor in the short run, expending more for its military budget than its partners, these alliances would over the long run serve the country’s 'enlightened self-interest.'

"Trump, by contrast, seems to believe that every deal has a winner and a loser; since American allies in Europe or East Asia are not unhappy about the current arrangements, this must mean that it is his nation that’s the sucker. ...

"The second assumption shaping Trump’s foreign policy is his belief that spheres of influence are the natural, and perhaps even the morally appropriate, way to organise international relations. ... [and] that maintaining an alliance structure that ignores spheres of influence is naive, needlessly costly, and fundamentally sentimental. ...

"Panama and Greenland are in America’s sphere of influence, and so Trump believes that he is entitled to make outrageous demands on them. Conversely, he seems to regard Ukraine as falling into Russia’s natural sphere of influence ...

"If Trump gets his way, the world will become much more transactional. America’s erstwhile allies in the western hemisphere will either need to learn to stand on their own feet or to pay financial tribute to their protector. Those which happen to be located in the vicinity of the world’s most powerful authoritarian countries will need to accommodate themselves to the diktat of Beijing or Moscow ..."

~ Yascha Mounk from his post 'Help Me Understand... The New World Order'

UPDATE 2:

"In light of the events of the past week [which includes the US siding with Russia and North Korea on a UN resolution condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and a three-ship Chinese naval circumnavigation of Australia], the Washington faction of NZ's Ministry of Foreign Affairs & Trade faces a new and major problem. ...
    "President Donald Trump’s affection for dictatorial regimes; the brutality of his transactional approach to international affairs; and his apparent repudiation of the 'rules-based international order' in favour of cold-eyed realpolitik; makes it difficult for America (and its increasingly apprehensive allies) to retain their footing on the moral high-ground.
    "It is difficult [therefore] to criticise the transactional elements of the relationships forged between China and the micro-states of the Pacific – the Cook Islands being only the latest in a succession of Chinese-initiated bilateral agreements negotiated in New Zealand’s 'back yard' – when the United States is demanding half of Ukraine’s rare earths in part-payment for the American munitions supplied to counter Russian aggression.
    "What those three Chinese warships have produced, however, is a much more compelling argument for aligning New Zealand’s defensive posture in general and its military procurement in particular with Australia’s. In the much colder and more brutal world that is fast emerging from the collapse of the 80-year-old Pax Americana, only the Australians can be relied upon to protect us – and only then if they are satisfied that the Kiwis are pulling their weight."

 ~Chris Trotter from his post 'What Are We Defending?'

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

What are President Trump's options?

OPTION 1. President Trump delivers security guarantees to Ukraine, the UK, EU etc. as they are all desperately trying to get him to do. Then it is merely a matter of time before the USA is pulled in to a shooting war in Europe (yet again).

How many American lives are to be eliminated on the bloody altar of European war this time around? We do have an estimate. According to the US Marine Corps it would be around 14,000 in the first month. That would mean that less than a half-year of war in Ukraine would cost the US as many lives as did a decade in Vietnam. And they'd lose. They'd not be able to attain their military objectives. That would mean escalation.

When two superpowers ratchet up the force escalation ladder, then the risk is exactly as President Trump explained to Volodymyr Zelenskyy. It is playing with WW3.

OPTION 2. Stop this unwinnable war fast. It's already been lost. Have the humanity to stop all the killing and all the pointless suffering. Avoid the risk of WW3. Shut it down.

MarkT said...

Trump and Vance are thugs. They were not trying to get him to agree to any semblance of a sensible deal, just to bully him into submission. Anyone who still supports them after seeing this is either completely deluded or evil. They are my enemy and can never be my friend.

Anonymous said...

Every week I ask the Trumpests I know what they need to see for them to feel embarrassed and then honest about what a grave error they have made.

MarkT said...

@ Anon - Neville Chamberlain no doubt applied similar thinking in conceding to Hitler's demands to achieve "peace in our time", naive to the reality it was encouraging more aggression that led to a worse war later. In any case, having the view you've outlined still in no way justifies Trump and Vance's 'blame the victim' narrative and the way they treated Zelensky. Not even Chamberlain did that. Chamberlain may have been a fool, but at least his heart was probably in the right place. Trump's heart is not in the right place. He berates Zelensky and talks in respectful terms to Putin, because at heart he hates Zelensky and the relatively free Ukraine, and likes Putin and authoritarian Russia.

Anonymous said...

MarkT

Putting aside emotive rhetoric. There are two options. Which is it to be?

HJ

MarkT said...

HJ - It's a loaded question. The emotive rhetoric is clearly on your side, just as it was with Chamberlain when he claimed his submission to Hitler would lead to peace. Obviously we don't want (1), and an end to the war is desirable. With that out of the way, please explain how Trump berating Ukraine and praising Russia will achieve that, without encouraging further Russian aggression, making an eventual bigger and riskier conflict for all the West more likely?

Peter Cresswell said...

And remember, Taiwan will be watching to see what Xi might think *he* can get away with ...

Anonymous said...

MarkT, If it isn't the first option, then it must be the second. I agree with you. OPTION 2 is preferable. That means no escalation, no to WW3. It means that the great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. It means that these USA refuse to enmesh themselves in the entanglement traps of the Ukraine, the EU and the UK etc. It means these USA return to their roots and conduct diplomacy and trade with all but do not get involved in political and hence military adventures. Thus no American servicemen getting killed fighting yet another of Europe's self inflicted wars.

For certain without the USA's involvement Ukraine, the EU and the UK will not be able to continue the pointless slaughter of slav versus slav. The war will stop. The killing will cease. Good that it does. Then these benighted nations can get on with addressing their real problems, the internal ones.

Meanwhile these USA can relearn and reapply the international arts of diplomacy as once they were so adept at doing. It wasn't that long ago that under the auspices of Presidents 37, 38, 39 & 40 diplomacy was normal. Perhaps, just perhaps the 47th President and Executive can return the giant ship of state back to diplomacy. If not, then OPTION 1 beckons.

MarkT said...

PC - Indeed, and I think it's reasonably likely that the Chinese Navy sending their navy into the Tasman last week and conducting livefire exercises over a busy trans-Tasman airspace was already the start of that.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to sign off.
HJ

MarkT said...

I see, completely evading the question. That's not unusual for Magats, but there's something quite odd about your posts, even for them.

So I'm curious, what on earth are you even doing here posting this? Your man is the president of the most powerful nation of earth, and this is the blog of a libertarian in little ol New Zealand, population 5m. PC is perhaps a big fish here, but in a small pond. If you're so confident in Trump and your position, so US centric, and so unconcerned with the wider geopolitical context as your comments suggest, why are you even bothering? What is your motive?

Anonymous said...

MarkT

Re-read. Take more care. Question was answered. Pay attention to the paragraph with the sentence beginning, "Meanwhile...etc." Read, comprehend, then think carefully.

Note that the 47th President is not "my man" as you put it (playing again you are- that's not a good habit). I'm not certain how this, the 47th Presidency, will play out (and neither are you). He and his team have done a lot more than I expected in 43 days. Much of it has been a good surprise. In particular it has been educative for people to see how their money, ruthlessly extracted, is wasted and worse, used in ways that injure and destroy them- deliberately so. Sadly, it is like that in governments all over the world, in many countries.

Why not take the example of the 47th Executive of the USA and start looking at where your money gets consumed? It is likely to be dire. Report what you find. Specifics would be ideal. I'll read them for certain.

President trump was elected on a platform of not getting these USA into more foreign wars. That means not sending American boys and girls to die for foreigners and foreign squabbles. Let's see whether the President can stick to his platform and keep them and others safe. Let's see whether he can avoid OPTION 1 and WW3. I hope he can.

The geopolitical situation does not follow a good-guys versus bad-guys narrative. That is the nonsense of the mainstream media. Neither the Russian Federation, nor the People's Republic of China are enemies of these USA. They are rivals, competitors and partners. Rather than the destruction of war, it is diplomacy and negotiation that allows mankind the room to grow, evolve and flourish. War is antithetical to that.

If you really do want to understand what is going on presently with geopolitics start by mapping international capital flows. Start with the LBMA. What can you see happening? Can you figure it out? Who do you think is the major mover? Why are they acting? Let me know what you conclude about it.

Motive- I've visited and read this blog from time to time, on and off for a little while. It gets interesting and often it deserves to be more widely read than it appears to be. Sometimes it is on the money but often it is way off. For example, the insistence that present changes in the world are “Prelude to WW2” revisited is wrong. My motive is to respond to what I read. Also to present some truths for your careful evaluation. That, is respect for you.

Start with capital flows. Why do that? Maj Gen Smedley Darlington Butler, twice awarded the Congressional Medal of Honour, found the key to the answer. It's here.

https://archive.org/details/warisracket00smed_0

Henry J

MarkT said...

Tell me more about yourself HJ, I’m interested Do you live in NZ, or the US, or somewhere else where English is not the first language? To my ear the way you write makes the first almost impossible, and the 2nd possible but unlikely. If the 3rd, or even the 2nd, how did you find this blog and what motivates you to visit it and comment so often? The owner clearly doesn’t share your views on Trump, so what are the redeeming features of it that make the attention you give it worthwhile?

Anonymous said...

MarkT

Why are personal details of such interest to you? Seeking to play the man again?

This site is found when searching for Objectivism , Austrian economics or not politically correct. Some of the material contained within it is interesting and applicable. Some is wrong.

Did you review what is happening at the LBMA? 700 tonnes in less than a month is big. Startling. Can you figure it out- the who and why?

HJ