Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Thank Galt for warming, eh.

A reader (thanks Greg) has spotted the warmists’ latest spin, trumpeted by no less than their favourite outlet the BBC.

They are now not trying to hide the decline [notes Greg]. In fact they admit that things are getting colder--but now the spin is that global warming [sic] is slowing down an ice age. This is somewhat like Obama claiming that while unemployment under his watch has sky-rocketed under his administration, it would have been worse if not for him.

So now that the warmists’ religion is collapsing under patently transparent nonsense, what’s going to replace it as the chief weapon in the anti-industrialists armory?

Guess.

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11 Comments:

Anonymous Mark Hubbard said...

So now that the warmists’ religion is collapsing under patently transparent nonsense, what’s going to replace it as the chief weapon in the anti-industrialists armory?


Easy, you've only got to read every second MSM article, and everything from Hickey and Morgan: income inequality, and redistribution.

1/10/2012 09:36:00 am  
Blogger Andrew B said...

Anti-fracking.

1/10/2012 12:40:00 pm  
Anonymous Mort said...

I malinvested vital capital because of the warmists promises of improving temperatures, but alas the coldest winter in my living memory killed my sapling fruit trees....
if only I could get compensation for the failure of the warmists promises, but alas my orchard is not too big to fail

1/10/2012 02:02:00 pm  
Blogger Owen McShane said...

The global warming Scam was a subset of the larger and more widespread religion of the Worship of the Earth Mother – and her rape by the surfeit of people.
These are the ones who argue that economic growth must be stopped because otherwise the Ecosystem will be destroyed.
AGW was just one means of putting the brakes on but ocean acidification and tropical reefs and desertification just move up the disaster list.

1/10/2012 02:44:00 pm  
Blogger gregster said...

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1/10/2012 05:27:00 pm  
Blogger gregster said...

I saw Gareth Morgan's columns in granny Herald.

They're saying warming will cause ocean acidification, due to dissolving of CO2.

This forgets that most of this CO2 came from the warmed ocean.

And a warmed ocean is less able to re-dissolve CO2.

It's incoherent.

1/10/2012 07:15:00 pm  
Blogger Rob Painting said...

"And a warmed ocean is less able to re-dissolve CO2. It's incoherent."

The oceans absorb CO2 because humans are pumping so much of it into the atmosphere. It's to do with partial pressures and equilibrium. See Dalton's Law of partial pressures and Henry's Law.

A bottle of coke freshly opened loses it's fizz as the CO2 dissolved in it equalizes with the lower CO2 content of the atmosphere. It reaches equilibrium and your drink gets flat. Warm it up and it will lose even more CO2.

That won't work with the global oceans because to counter the amount of CO2 we have put in the atmosphere (which then dissolves into the ocean), the Henry's Law co-efficient (which changes with temp) calculations show an 11°C change in surface ocean temperature is required. The observations show the oceans have warmed a fraction of one degree (IIRC).

Ocean acidification is already killing fish larvae in some parts of the ocean. Has been dissolving and killing oyster larvae in Puget Sound, North America for about 6 years. And is poised to decimate the fishing industry in the productive waters of the Eastern Bering Sea.

Given that ocean acidification in ancient times has caused the repeated extinction of coral and other marine calcifiers, it's a legitimate concern. Let's hope we don't go there.

1/12/2012 01:05:00 pm  
Anonymous Hal Incandenza said...

How dare you bring science and logic to the table Rob. The libertarians were having a wank!

1/13/2012 08:22:00 pm  
Blogger gregster said...

In response to Rob No-Oil-Painting:

"And a warmed ocean is less able to re-dissolve CO2. It's incoherent."

“The oceans absorb CO2 because humans are pumping so much of it into the atmosphere.”

Oh really? Why did the atmosphere at times contain many times more carbon dioxide before humans were here?

“It's to do with partial pressures and equilibrium. See Dalton's Law of partial pressures and Henry's Law.”

“A bottle of coke freshly opened loses it's fizz as the CO2 dissolved in it equalizes with the lower CO2 content of the atmosphere. It reaches equilibrium and your drink gets flat. Warm it up and it will lose even more CO2.”

An unoriginal analogy, but useful for my purposes. That is a contradictory statement.

“It reaches equilibrium [..] warm it up and it will lose even more CO2”

That is what I stated -- Gareth Morgan’s articles can’t have it both ways.

If we’re warming, then less ocean acidification can take place.

Carbon dioxide remains a minor component in the atmosphere, and is not in sufficient concentration to force dissolving, whether or not your Dalton and Henry are assisting. Moreover, carbon dioxide is not proven to be of any detriment. (It is, though, proven to benefit life on Earth. Expand your horizon and try visiting a gardening hothouse.) The oceans have mechanisms, eg. algal blooms, to deal with ecosystem changes. You could also benefit by stretching your imagination to think in millions of years rather than mere decades.


“That won't work with the global oceans because to counter the amount of CO2 we have put in the atmosphere (which then dissolves into the ocean), the Henry's Law co-efficient (which changes with temp) calculations show an 11°C change in surface ocean temperature is required. The observations show the oceans have warmed a fraction of one degree (IIRC).“

Again, the carbon dioxide is much less than what it has been. It is a non-problem. It would be beneficial to life. Besides, naturally produced carbon dioxide dwarfs what [natural] humans produce.

[Don't take us out of nature, either.]

“Ocean acidification is already killing fish larvae in some parts of the ocean.”

So? – let’s take that as true --is nothing allowed to vary? Do you expect the same stasis in the natural world as exists in your
conventionally corrupt ideas?

“..Has been dissolving and killing oyster larvae in Puget Sound, North America for about 6 years. And is poised to decimate the fishing industry in the productive waters of the Eastern Bering Sea.“

I will wager this pessimistic picture proves to be the opposite to what does occur. Wait and see, N’Oil Painting.

”Given that ocean acidification in ancient times has caused the repeated extinction of coral and other marine calcifiers, it's a legitimate concern.”

Let me elucidate you as to the definition of extinction: -Biology, the act or process of becoming extinct; a coming to an end or dying out: the extinction of a species.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/extinction

There cannot be repeated extinction. Unless you believe in reincarnation?

“Let's hope we don't go there.”

We won’t go there.

Take my word for it.

And grow some balls in the meantime so, once you're newly enlightened, you can fend off erstwhile fellow troglodites .

1/16/2012 08:00:00 pm  
Anonymous Hal Incandenza said...

Why do you libbos need to resort sneering abuse, bromides and slogans in place of rational discussion? It makes you look like angry dickwads.

1/16/2012 10:52:00 pm  
Blogger gregster said...

"Why do you libbos need to resort sneering abuse, bromides and slogans in place of rational discussion? It makes you look like angry dickwads."

Freedom lovers will always be angry dickwads for the likes of you - a progress-hating shitbag communist.

"Hal Incandenza" You too, grow some balls, but firstly more brains would be better.

And don't try that shit on me. It was you who started with "How dare you bring science and logic to the table Rob. The libertarians were having a wank!"

Idiot.

1/16/2012 11:14:00 pm  

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