Thursday, April 08, 2010

John Key is a sleeper agent for the Greens

He must be.  Why else—with the global warming priesthood on the run—would he and his special mate Nick Smith insist on introducing their Emissions Trading Scam on July 1st, despite business here already being in a hole, and businesses elsewhere (all our major trading partners for example) having no such imposition forced upon them—and the top twenty carbon emitters having no intention at all of shackling their producers in a similar fashion.

Calling this stupid is way too kind.  Saying it’s irresponsible state’s the obvious, but with insufficient vehemence.

Frankly, there are many more accurate words to describe it. Feel free to leave a few of them in the comments.

UPDATE: Slightly edited.



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34 Comments:

Anonymous Global Cooling said...

John Key is a fucking daft socialist.

4/08/2010 11:36:00 am  
Blogger Dinther said...

John Key is either idiot without a spine of a sly leftie.

If it were not for his pressed suit, he would collapse in a heap of aimless jelly.

4/08/2010 12:07:00 pm  
Blogger Julian said...

I would liken it to treason. This government is intentionally reducing the wealth of every New Zealander.

But not to worry, most of the blog readers here will go back and vote for them at the next election, because "they have a chance of getting in". Well, you got what you asked for.

Julian

4/08/2010 01:02:00 pm  
Blogger Sam P said...

Who knows... prob not even Key. His m.o. seems to be to play nice to all the special interests. That will have its consequences.

For sure, prosperity on these pretty islands will continue to decline.

It seems his 'big plan' is to get the NZ govt positioned to take royalties on mining and for those to become a major funding source. NZ Inc. Private enterprise be damned.

4/08/2010 01:11:00 pm  
Anonymous LGM said...

Any of you guys vote for the Nats at the last election?

Anyone?

ANyone at all going to own up?

Surely there must be at least a few of you.

Now's the chance to say sorry.

LGM

4/08/2010 02:00:00 pm  
Blogger Greig McGill said...

I did worse. I voted for ACT. I am sorry.

4/08/2010 02:06:00 pm  
Anonymous LGM said...

Greig

Touche!

A few of my friends did that as well. So far only one of them has been man enough to admit making a mistake. The others make up really wild excuses. Some of them are risable. All most entertaining if you neglect the cost of it.

Ah well. You get that.

I was and am sorry that ACT turned out as they did. When I first heard about them (just after they were formed) I thought they were going to do great things. Shortly after the surprise of discovering the involvment of one of the apparatchiks in an inappropriate coercion of a naieve young lady, a careful evaluation of the nature of the party, its policies and what the ideology was, led to the conclusion that great things were never going to be realised. ACT is more of the same stuff as the National/Labour coalition have offerred up for decades.

LGM

PS. For the record, I'm not saying that ACT is exclusively populated by lounge lizards.

4/08/2010 02:45:00 pm  
Blogger big bruv said...

I voted for both ACT and the local National candidate.

Does that mean I am doubly disappointed.....you bloody bet I am.

I cannot work out who I am more angry with, Neville Key or Rodney Baubles Hide.

4/08/2010 03:02:00 pm  
Anonymous David said...

I am voting Labour next time round. So far the Nats have cancelled my tax cut, cost me more in ACC, I havent had a pay rise/bonus since 08, is raising my GST and Bill English of housing rort fame labels me a tax dodger because I have a rental property and is licking his lips at reaming me in the budget.
They have made zero effort at cutting the wasteful spending as promised and now after promising to be a fast follower we are plunging headlong into a daft ETS all on our own where the taxpayers will buy dodgy Russian carbon credits.
At least with that awful Clark her social engineering never affected me.

4/08/2010 03:35:00 pm  
Blogger twr said...

I both campaigned for, and voted for Act, and have been bitterly disappointed with their performance as a government support partner. I did actually believe them when they said they had principles, and some of them seemed honest. I won't make the same mistake again.

Having said that, I really can't see a viable alternative.

4/08/2010 03:38:00 pm  
Blogger Dinther said...

No, I did not vote National last time. Ashamed to say it was Act. Won't do that again either.

I let down the libertarianz twice now. Every time vowing to do better next time.

However, let's project forward. What if Labour would muster plenty of strength in numbers during the election run up?

I even suspect National that this is part of their strategy to force those on the side line to vote National just to keep Labour out.

I suppose this time around it won't matter so much because if Labour gets in then I am out anyway. Out of the country that is because there is no way I which to go on like this.

4/08/2010 04:37:00 pm  
Blogger Owen McShane said...

Don't you love this!
Prebble On Dr Nick Smith's Appointment

Tuesday, 28 October 2003, 4:44 pm
Press Release: ACT New Zealand
Prebble On Dr Nick Smith's Appointment

Tuesday 28 Oct 2003
Richard Prebble
Press Releases -- Other

"Any political party that selects Nick Smith as its deputy leader cannot be accused of having moved to the right," ACT New Zealand Leader Richard Prebble said today.

ENDS
The rural vote will be deserting them in droves!

4/08/2010 05:39:00 pm  
Blogger Sam P said...

I voted Libz. I was laughed at.

I was not sorry to see the end of the micromanaging Clarke govt, and admit that Key has at least given one some sense of respecting a private life.

But it's pretty clear now there's only one party that opposes socialism and promotes liberty & capitalism in NZ. One party that is truly liberal. The rest are variations on socialism, ad nausea.

4/08/2010 05:49:00 pm  
Anonymous Politically Confused said...

Next time, I will be voting based on which party that have hot looking female candidates. So, that's likely to be Jacinda and Nikki Kaye. Forget voting based on political ideologies, because they all lie and implement exactly the same policies the whole lot of them.

4/08/2010 07:29:00 pm  
Blogger Andrew B said...

It's high time Cactus and Clint commented on how well rewarded they feel their support for ACT has been.

Cactus? Clint?

4/08/2010 10:13:00 pm  
Blogger Heine said...

Since we both live well outside NZ I can't say I have been touched by the cloud of filth that surrounds NZ. :)

4/09/2010 12:33:00 am  
Blogger Cactus Kate said...

AB

Well my taxes haven't changed, I still only pay 2% AIL, I still don't have to contribute to the WWS (white welfare state) or Whanau Ora and the supply of Bluff Oysters this season appeared constant. On the downside GST is still not claimable at port of exit and champagne prices keep rising.

In summary though I think ACT is doing swimmingly. Despite it's best efforts to implode by snatching the jaws of Roy from Hide, the alternative was sitting in Opposition and watching National get swung around in a circle and molestered by the giant wanger of the Maori Party who seem to have traded something with the National Party for something for their troughing mates. Needless to say that without the hand of ACT we could seriously have a situation presently where Tariana had 2 Ministerial Limos all to herself, had reclaimed the foreshore in her own name and employed all her relatives as agents for Whanau Ora, not just the 27 she is planning to.

In conclusion I agree with Global cooling's "John Key is a fucking daft socialist" and Dinther "If it were not for his pressed suit, he would collapse in a heap of aimless jelly".

The pressed suit being ACT doing it's best to keep Smile and Wave from diving head first off the fence and to the left where he naturally belongs.

4/09/2010 04:31:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

Cactus

Wow!

And that's it?

Not much of an excuse.

LGM

4/09/2010 06:29:00 am  
Anonymous James said...

If you think ACT is worse than National you are seriously retarded.

They got 3.5% people....thats all they have to work with.They still are doing a 100% better than the Libz are at least trying to stem the socialist tide.

Yes they need to sort some shit out...thats true but Christ Im glad at least someones there doing something.

We are not going to get the Libertarian paradise tomorrow morning....wake up and get into objective reality....its a matter of taking little bites and trying to slow the onslaught.

4/09/2010 06:52:00 am  
Blogger Andrew B said...

No James, it's about changing ideas - and you only do that by consistently arguing a principle, not by watering down what you say with ideas you should oppose so you can get into government by default, and take your bird around the world.

4/09/2010 07:54:00 am  
Blogger KG said...

"No James, it's about changing ideas - and you only do that by consistently arguing a principle..."

Which would be fine, if the majority of voters knew what a principle was when they tripped over one.
Or if they were interested.
But they don't and they're not.

4/09/2010 08:58:00 am  
Blogger Greig McGill said...

James, the reason I say ACT are worse is due to the degree of hypocrisy. National campaigned on very centrist policies to begin with. ACT was pushing a libertarian line. National ended up being slightly more leftist than they said they would be. ACT threw out their entire ideology.

That's why I'm far more disappointed in ACT, and I declare them "worse". It's my opinion, but thanks for calling me a retard for having it.

I'll be voting Libz next and every election. No point saying "but they only get a tiny percentage" - nothing will ever change for the better with that attitude.

4/09/2010 09:05:00 am  
Anonymous James said...

"No James, it's about changing ideas - and you only do that by consistently arguing a principle,"
not by watering down what you say with ideas you should oppose so you can get into government by default, and take your bird around the world."

Ideas changed by Libz arguing principle....dick,none nada.

Actual results gained by ACT taking bites....3 Strikes for violent offenders (better than anything else offered in recent history).No raced based seats on the supercity.(and not an ACT creation before you try that one).

A review of the ETS and strong opposition mounted most notably by John Boscowen (remember him?,got into Parliment 5 mins ago and having more impact than any thing Libz have managed in the last 10 odd years.

And just out the use of the private sector to carry out operations that the public system can't provide....an old ACT policy.

Then theres Rodneys decades long battles on behalf of the taxpayer against IRD,dopey expenditure,regulatory rollback etc....saving the taxpayer millions in return for which hes roasted by the ignorant ingrates for taking a well deserved trip away with his ladylove that was funded from what should have been part of his (small for his talents compared to what he could muster in the private sector)Ministerial salary anyway.

ACT are only small sure...but they leave the Libz for dust in gains for freedom won no matter when its all weighed up.

Now...please list all of Libz wins on behalf of the Kiwi taxpayer...? Anyone?

4/09/2010 09:08:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

James

As far as reality is concerned, ACT is not significantly differnt to the National/Labour coalition. I'd be the first to tell you that it should be different and that I wish it were. Unfortunately, it aint.

The excuse that they only have 3.5% of the vote is without much merit. For example, it would appear they are able to get junkets around the world with the mistress paid by taxpayer just as easily as those with some extra votes.

Were the Libertarianz to do something like that they'd have abandoned their principles and hence lost all legitimacy. Fact is, having met those involved I don't expect them to lower themselves to such behaviour.

If it is a Libertarian future you seek, then unfortunately ACT is not going to get you there. That, is objective reality.

Sorry

LGM

4/09/2010 09:15:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

Greig, Dinther, TWR, Big Brov, David

Looks like you were let down. Basically, they lied to you. That's an unpleasant thing to have to experience, especially when the liar is someone you invested trust in (*speaking from experience).

Assuming you decide to stay in NZ (and it is always a good idea to undertake a comparison of that which you experience here with that which is available elsewhere with a view to moving if need be), then you do have some alternatives.

1/. Learn nothing from this experience. Be a sucker and vote National or ACT again. Try to pretend that a better result will occur if you only keep pretending hard enough. Keep pretending. Keep the faith.

2/. Vote for the Libertarianz. Promote the priciples of freedom (which means you are being a selfish capitalist).

3/. Don't vote at all. Promote the priciples of freedom (which means you are being a selfish capitalist).

4/. Don't vote. Don't do anything. Suffer the consequences. Hope that something might change (rest assured it won't- things are about to get a whole lot more difficult in NZ).

5/. Punish yourself and others for believing in National or ACT by voting Labour or Green or Maori etc. Suffer the consequences.

I'm sorry you were let down by fibbers and rorters. I'd be more sorry if you allow them get away with it.

LGM


* a story for another time

4/09/2010 09:48:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

Greig, Dinther, TWR, Big Brov, David

Looks like you were let down. Basically, they lied to you. That's an unpleasant thing to have to experience, especially when the liar is someone you invested trust in (*speaking from experience).

Assuming you decide to stay in NZ (and it is always a good idea to undertake a comparison of that which you experience here with that which is available elsewhere with a view to moving if need be), then you do have some alternatives.

1/. Learn nothing from this experience. Be a sucker and vote National or ACT again. Try to pretend that a better result will occur if you only keep pretending hard enough. Keep pretending. Keep the faith.

2/. Vote for the Libertarianz. Promote the priciples of freedom (which means you are being a selfish capitalist).

3/. Don't vote at all. Promote the priciples of freedom (which means you are being a selfish capitalist).

4/. Don't vote. Don't do anything. Suffer the consequences. Hope that something might change (rest assured it won't- things are about to get a whole lot more difficult in NZ).

5/. Punish yourself and others for believing in National or ACT by voting Labour or Green or Maori etc. Suffer the consequences.

I'm sorry you were let down by fibbers and rorters. I'd be more sorry if you allow them get away with it.

LGM


* a story for another time

4/09/2010 09:48:00 am  
Anonymous Setich said...

AndrewB, how can you change ideas when in fact all you do is trying to change people's religion? Tell me, how on earth can you try to change people's religious belief simultaneously with their political belief? Don't you see this as a big hurdle and a difficult task?

The answer is simple. Get the fuck out from the business of trying to change people's religious belief and concentrate only on trying to convince them to change their political belief.

Do what is required first and don't try to be multi-tasking by changing many things at once (e.g. - attacking Christians), because that's why the Libz is so pathetic in the poll, since in the real world, no one can change many things at once. They do change over time, but that is achieved only by doing one thing at a time and that's reality.

Anyway, I voted ACT but I am a little disappointed too.

4/09/2010 10:21:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

James

I missed your most recent post as we were on line at the same time.

A few points:

Ideas changed by ACT abandoning principle and troughing out like all the rest of 'em - none.

Three strikes for violent offenders...? Meanwhile the government (of which ACT is an integral part) continues to bilch taxpayers to fund the breeding programs that create the violent offenders in the first place. ACT does nothing save supply a little populist window dressing. Hopeless. BTW three strikes didn't work in USA. Experience suggests it'll make negligible change for NZ. Mark that one a zero out of ten.

No race based seats in the Superexpensivecity. Wow! So what? That whole project is an unfolding facist disaster presided over by............ the chief "perk-buster" of ACT. Changes in favour of freedom- none.

Superexpensivecity not an ACT creation? Who is presiding over the creation of this monumental boondoggle again? What was the name of that guy? Which party is he from again?

Didn't ACT say they'd withdraw support from the Nats if an ETS went ahead? Seems that promise got well and truly abandoned. Well, heeeeeeey there, them overseas trips with that thaaar fancy woman are faaaaar too enticing. Sell out and trough out, that's the ticket. So what was achieved? Perhaps someone got a damn fucking out of it.

If the public sector can't (and shouldn't) carry out a function, then the government has no business being involved in the first place. Hiring private sector entities to undertake such activies with money expropriated from the public means that those private sector entities soon degenerate into cronies (assuming they aren't that already). Such behaviour is little more than welfare- in this case welfare for crony corporates. It's yet more consumption of other people's wealth. Same old, same old.

As for taking the mistress off-shore for the dirty work, the roasting received was well deserved. After all, the perk-busting hypocrit was consuming MY money. I'd rather have kept that money. Instead it got wasted on the ol' root rort.

BTW if he was sooooooo highly skilled that he could have commanded such a better salary in a productive private sector position, then attaining such a salary in the productive private sector would have been the moral thing to have done. Didn't happen. You should be able to guess why.

---

It is baffling that anyone could consider any ACT self-serving prevarication, troughing and hypocracy a win for freedom, especially as it is all funded with the expropriated funds of other people. That aint promoting freedom. It's the opposite.

Excuses for ACT these all be. You wouldn't need excuses if the party had actually been doing good. Sorry, James. You been conned bad by that outfit.

LGM

4/09/2010 01:18:00 pm  
Anonymous LGM said...

Setich

Religious faith is very important, as it is related to the political views of the believers. Changing erroneous beliefs is necessary. Perhaps religious people find that uncomfortable, but sad to say, religion is part of the problem- always has been. It needs attention for that reason (among others).

LGM

4/09/2010 01:23:00 pm  
Blogger KG said...

"Religious faith is very important, as it is related to the political views of the believers. Changing erroneous beliefs is necessary."

Lol! That sounds like something straight out of the communist manifesto! How arrogant.
And how unrealistic. You really believe, don't you LGM? Believe that you'll be able to get rid of those pesky "erroneous beliefs" and people will magically support the Libz thereafter.
Dream on.

4/09/2010 07:01:00 pm  
Anonymous LGM said...

Hey KG, what got you so emotional? It's not like you to be like that.

Religious belief is related to the political. For example, take a good long look at the abortion debate. Or if you'd like something a little more violent, consider how the religious beliefs of your old friends Osama and his acolytes direct their political activities. Perhaps you'd like to consider why it was the founders of the USA thought it important to arrange for a separation of church and state, and how it happens that powerful US Christian political groups are striving to reduce that separation. There are plenty more examples. Suffice to say you ought to be able to find a some of them easily enough should you choose to look.

The point is that you are not able to deal with the political ideas of religious people in the absence of consideration of their religious beliefs. The two are intertwined. Many erroneous ideas have religious sources. They need to go. They are incompatible with freedom.

LGM

4/10/2010 12:32:00 am  
Anonymous Green Party said...

Ok I admit it. John Key is one of ours.

Ha! Suckers! Ecocide is about to become a crime, wohooo!

4/10/2010 06:14:00 pm  
Anonymous Bonking Greens said...

I met a chic at a bar at the viaduct 2 weeks ago who is a Green Party supporter. We went back to her apartment in Grey Lynn. I always carry condoms with me all the time, but this chic said that we shouldn't use any of my condoms since they were not naturally manufactured, i.e., inorganic condoms. Well she had a draw full of organic condoms (whatever the fuck that means), but at the end she sang hallelujah very loud all night (even waking up her flatmates).

4/10/2010 07:02:00 pm  
Blogger Lisa said...

I feel sorry for all the people who voted National, National has always been the same and will always do the same things. How gullible could you be to fall for the same bullshit lines that have been heard before. I'm proud to say I voted Labour, at least they didn't try and screw the NZ people over by promising tax cuts and then hiking up GST, threatening us with property tax and then cutting jobs, we have more people unemployed and now there are more talks from National of job cuts. When election time rolls around again, I will gladly give my vote to Labour!! I believe Labour can do a far better job of running this country than National can.

5/24/2010 05:35:00 pm  

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