Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Hone offers NZers the Maori Party salute

Hone

From “white man’s bullshit” to “white mofos” to “bastards” to “racist bastards”, you just can’t keep a good racist thug down, can you. [Cartoon by Blunt]

Nothing like a good hater & wrecker to make your week, is there.

But at least there’s no need to guess what Maori Party MPs really think about us. Tariana thinks there was a “Maori holocaust” in Taranaki, and Maori are suffering from “Post-Colonial Traumatic Stress Disorder”;  Hone reckons “white motherf...ers have been raping our lands and ripping  us off for centuries,” and that ““[Phil] Goff and his mates should be lined up against a wall and shot" for their foreshore and seabed legislation.

And the whole Maori Party caucus was silent today when Hone apologised for his language, but not for his sentiments.

Nice people.  For a pack of racists.

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22 Comments:

Blogger KG said...

Ain't that the truth!

11/10/2009 05:40:00 pm  
Blogger Cactus Kate said...

Brilliantly put. I shall steal your work Witi Ihimaera style later ;)

11/10/2009 07:21:00 pm  
Anonymous Sean Fitzpatrick said...

What gets me is the number of people (especially in the media) feigning amazement that Hone and others like him actually think this way. Either they have not been paying much attention or they have not wanted to!

11/11/2009 09:58:00 am  
Blogger Lucy said...

Exactly Sean. This has been the mantra of Hone et al all along. They are racists and make no mistake they do wish us harm, both economically and physically.

They have an entitlement mentality and no idea what what it means to give they only take and take and take and despise those they take from.

Until we stop treating them like children who are not quite responsible for their actions and not capable of being held to the same standards as the rest of us, nothing will change.

11/11/2009 10:06:00 am  
Blogger The Tomahawk Kid said...

Why dont they just let those motherfuckers run their own affairs - One system for New Zealanders who wish to be a part of it, and a separate system for the Maori Motherfuckers who agree with Hone's sentiments - now THAT would be a system I would like to see how long it could sustain itself for!

They could all get together and rip each other off, and wouldn't have any white motherfuckers to blame things on (although I am sure they would come up with something pretty quick)

11/11/2009 11:28:00 am  
Blogger Shane Pleasance said...

All I take from his sentiments are that perhaps I should feel some sense of guilt for something I have done or am doing?

If so, what would he have me do in reparation?

11/11/2009 12:23:00 pm  
Blogger Stevew said...

"If so, what would he have me do in reparation?"

Simple: give him all of your money and all of the money you'll earn in the future.
Oh, wait. The government is already giving him your money, whether you like it or not.

11/11/2009 03:47:00 pm  
Anonymous Hone Te Patu said...


Simple: give him all of your money and all of the money you'll earn in the future.


then kill yourself and your entire family, whitey muthafucka!

11/11/2009 07:25:00 pm  
Anonymous Mark said...

... but not before taking out Mr Te Patu and his gibbering inbred whanau

11/11/2009 08:01:00 pm  
Blogger Stevew said...

Now, now, let the man exercise his freedom of speech!
Of course a couple of days ago it would have been called foul-mouthed racism, but now it's officially acceptable. We have confirmation of this from the Race Relations Commissioner, no less....

11/11/2009 09:53:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hone Te Patu - Aroha Mai ki a koe, engari you are an idiot. What sort of korero is that to add to the debate.

KG (from this and from your own blog) You are quite simply incorrect. There has not been billions spent on treaty settlements. What has been paid in recompence for wrong doings amounts to about one cent in the dollar. Even State Insurance is more generous than that. Since the time the settlement process started it equates to such a small amount of Government expenditure you can't even make it show up on a pie chart.

Lucy. You are right to agree with Sean that no one should be feigning amazement at Hone's outburst. However, your and Sean's interpretation of his attitude (as shitty as it may be) and stance is quite incorrect. They (and I'm not entirely sure who you mean by "they" but I'm working on the assumption that you mean the Maori Party) do not wish you any harm at all.

Indeed some Maori have an entitlement mentality. But, how do you rationalise your broad generalisation with Tariana Turia's recent refusal to support a foodbank because she said it encouraged welfarism among Maori. It seems a tad ironic that this stance upset Pakeha social workers.

11/11/2009 11:28:00 pm  
Blogger KG said...

"KG (from this and from your own blog) You are quite simply incorrect. There has not been billions spent on treaty settlements."
No, I'm not and yes there has been. I suspect you're conveniently leaving out the transfer of assets to Maori.

11/12/2009 08:14:00 am  
Blogger KG said...

"What has been paid in recompence for wrong doings amounts to about one cent in the dollar."
Wrongdoings? By wrongdoings do you mean handing them civilisation on a platter? Improving their infant mortality rates? Dragging them out of their primitive, cannibalistic tribal backwater and handing them the keys to a comfortable, secure existence?
Some wrongdoings, those...

We surely don't need to mention warm and comfortable housing, freedonm from predatory tribal warfare, first-class medical care, warm clothing, a window to the world via television and radio, refrigeration, air-conditioning, vehicular transport,adequate lighting and heating,a written language, literature and one or two other things.
Do we?

If Maori had any sense of how the real world works they'd get down on their effing knees and thank the hated whitey for what they have. What they've lost pales by comparison.
I am so effing sick of whining brownies dipping their hand into my pockets and spitting in my face by way of thanks.

11/12/2009 08:24:00 am  
Blogger Greig McGill said...

Wow, KG... you're better than that.
What you've just said is exactly the same as the racist bile spat by Harawira. If you were doing so tongue in cheek to illustrate a point, it'd be fine, but that seems like real anger to me. No wonder we never move forward. :(

For the record, I agree with the majority of your argument. I do think that colonisation was good for Maori in material terms. In social terms, it's been a disaster. That disaster is exacerbated with every apology, with every handout, and with every "settlement". Render unto (individual) Maori that which is (individual) Maori. Don't confiscate any current private property to do so, no matter what the argument. Ensure the rights bestowed are transferable, and let the market sort it out. The land will end up with whichever party values it the most, it'll be totally fair, and there'll be no more (reasonable) claim by anyone on anyone else.

11/12/2009 09:39:00 am  
Blogger KG said...

Greig, I take your point. A short fuse after a crappy night shift didn't help much...
No, I don't agree it's racist though.What I'm concerned with is behaviour, not race. I love NZ but in my time here I've been robbed by Maori, ripped off by Maori, abused by Maori--and the abuse I and nurses and docs get get simply doing our jobs is almost always from Maori, so I have a very jaundiced view of them in terms of behaviour.
It's real anger, yes.
If colonisation has been a disaster for Maori in social terms then that's their fault. A failure to adapt, the development of a victim culture and a habit of blaming others for whatever ails them while at the same time enjoying the benefits of that culture (and exploiting white guilt and goodwill) can be laid at the door of Maori, nobody else.
Nothing will satisfy them because playing the victim has been both profitable and satisfying. That cycle has to be broken sooner or later and Maori show precious few signs of progress in that direction.

11/12/2009 09:59:00 am  
Blogger Lucy said...

"Nothing will satisfy them because playing the victim has been both profitable and satisfying."

Exactly KG exactly.

Anon if you sincerely believe that a large number of the Maori population do not mean European NZers any harm (economically and/or physically) then you are living in la la land. Every time they take without contributing they cause harm. Every time their behaviour is excused because they are not to be held to the same standards of common decency they do harm.
I could go on and on but I wont, because I dont think you will 'get it'

11/12/2009 10:18:00 am  
Blogger Greig McGill said...

Yeah, you're describing the difference between prejudice ("This guy is a Maori. I've only ever had negative experiences with Maori, I'm *likely* to have a negative experience with him, best distrust until proven otherwise.") and racism ("This guy is Maori. I hate Maori. I hate him."). Prejudice is a pretty common feeling on both sides, since there's so much resentment there.

Part of the problem is there's no such thing as "Maori" any more than there is any such thing as "Pakeha". There are tribes - effectively corporations, looking after their shareholders. There are individuals outside these tribes, living in a variety of different ways, with and without chips on shoulders. There are political groups, as usual claiming to speak for all, yet representing only themselves, and there are radicals, doing the same thing. Which of these are you angry at? Which groups/individuals are playing the victim? Arguably the tribes are about as far from that as possible.

You say the social disaster is the fault of Maori. Maybe it is, but I think we need to get beyond fault and blame, and work on how to go forward. The only way to do that is mutual respect. I know it's hard when you feel you've had a raw deal - I know how you feel. In the last 8 years I've been robbed/burgled/had my car stolen 5 times. Always Maori. It can be really hard to get past race after those experiences, especially when slapped in the face by the likes of the Maori Party claiming they deserve any kind of special treatment. We need to though. Property rights are the answer, and they are blind to race.

11/12/2009 10:22:00 am  
Blogger Shane Pleasance said...

I think the subsequent comments go some way to answering my question, thank you.

Fortunately, I still feel no guilt, and most Maori friends of mine are not victims.

11/12/2009 12:45:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KG - Sorry you had a bad shift. I have witnessed the crap that health workers often have to endure so I'll cut you some slack.
Just a note about the first class health system. During my grandfather's last days alive at Waikato Hospital he had to be told by the cleaner that he was dying. As he deteriorated he reverted to his native tongue - Maori. Turns out he was misdiagnosed as well, as the doctors and nurses couldn't communicate with him.

If what colonisation brought was civilisation then where was the adherence to one of civilisations supposed foundation stones - justice. That was systematically denied Maori. Lets not be emotive about it. That is just fact. e.g. trumped up conflicts to grab land for settlement, being denied basic services like bank accounts or entry to picture theatres, strapped at school for speaking Maori. That is not just.

I am most intrigued about these assets you mention. In all of the treaty settlements completed to date Crown assets which have been transferred to iwi have been valued and their value has been included in the quantum of the settlement. Or iwi have had to BUY those assets from the Crown at market valuation. All of that adds up to less than a billion.

And by the way you forget some things off your platter of goodies including, herpes, syphilis, influenza, hepatitis, mustelids, goats, tobacco, alcohol, gorse, tripe and Barry Manilow.

Lucy - au contraire, I understand the point you are trying to make. However, I have been fortunate enough to experience more walks of life in this country than most ever do - Maori, Pakeha, Pacific Island and small smatterings of other cultures, rural, urban, iwi authority and marae, public service, Parliament (including the Maori Party) and corporate board rooms. I can categorically tell you that the overwhelming majority of Maori - and I include my entire whanau in this statement - do not think or behave how you have stated. The people you refer to, in my experience, are a minority.

I do accept there are some significant problems and challenges and that all is not well.

And for the record! I think what Hone said in his email was unacceptable and I will tell him to his face.

11/12/2009 11:32:00 pm  
Blogger Greig McGill said...

And by the way you forget some things off your platter of goodies including, herpes, syphilis, influenza, hepatitis, mustelids, goats, tobacco, alcohol, gorse, tripe and Barry Manilow.

Awesome! I might disagree with a lot of what you're saying Anonymous, but I like your sense of humour. :)

Consider signing your posts though. Anonymous posters are generally frowned upon here. It's nice to know who one is debating.

11/13/2009 07:42:00 am  
Blogger KG said...

"And by the way you forget some things off your platter of goodies including, herpes, syphilis, influenza, hepatitis, mustelids, goats, tobacco, alcohol, gorse, tripe and Barry Manilow."
So I did--but I was talking about the benefits Europeans brought which are so seldom acknowledged, not the downside.
Of course there was a downside--only a child (or a leftist) thinks that it's possible to gain something for nothing. Managing that downside is surely part of a mature cost/benefit analysis and I argue that Maori came out a long way on the benefit side of colonisation. As my ancestors, the ancient Brits did.
"..justice. That was systematically denied Maori."
It was also denied Maori by other Maori. And there were cases where the Crown stepped in and prevented exploitation of Maori as well.
"e.g. trumped up conflicts to grab land for settlement"
And there were plenty of cases where Maori were paid for land, absent any coercion and returned again and again for further payments.
Speaking of conflicts--we hear much (and kids are taught) about white settlers attacking Maori but precious little about Maori murdering peaceful settlers. I'm not arguing proportion or equivalence here, but I am disturbed by the one-sided view of conflict in the early days of settlement.
Now I need sleep--and the Barry Manilow crack brought a needed smile. :-)

11/13/2009 08:18:00 am  
Blogger CW said...

Greig McGill, KG, Lucy.....

I should've have said especially the TRIPE.

I am CW.

11/17/2009 11:32:00 pm  

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