Friday, June 20, 2008

Honest badges (updated)

blameElijah Lineberry has fashioned a more accurate set of badges than the patronising Ministry-supplied set -- badges that trendy white liberal teachers can wear between macrame classes to really show their solidarity with  their brown brethren.  My favourites:

3. Welfare, not work
9. Give me your land
10. I believe in Taniwhas

All he needs now is $56,000 of taxpayer money to get them into classrooms.

UPDATE 1:  Oops.  Mustn't laugh.  Might get called a "cracker asshole."

UPDATE 2: Whale Oil has the complete set of Lineberry badges in colour, to replace the dripping wet set produced by the Ministry -- one for which you might even fork out your money voluntarily.  That's one of the better set up there ...

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34 Comments:

Blogger Ruth said...

When are you going to start beautifying Enoch Powell like your comrades?

It's comforting to know there are lesser breeds...nothing like the genteel racism of the haute bourgeoisie. Yuk.

Naughty you for not linking to Lineberry's original racist remarks.

6/20/2008 07:22:00 am  
Blogger PC said...

"Beautifying" Enoch Powell? Can't be done.

Nor can beatification -- and nor will I be trying to.

Do you engage in group-think?

6/20/2008 09:59:00 am  
Blogger Luke H said...

Way to play the race badge, Elijah / PC.

6/20/2008 02:03:00 pm  
Blogger PC said...

Blimey, the 'I'm offended' brigade are out and about today, aren't they.

Luke, meet Ruth. Why not pull up a bar stool and swap tips on hand wringing. Chat nicely now.

6/20/2008 02:19:00 pm  
Blogger Luke H said...

Elijah's racist, collectivist badges aren't funny, nor are racist stereotypes thought-provoking.

These negative attitudes are distracting from the real issue here which is not Maori under-performance but the foolishness of Labour/Greens liberal pencil-pushers.

For your edification, may I present an example of some real discussion of the treatment of Maori culture by bureaucracy.

6/20/2008 02:36:00 pm  
Blogger PC said...

Oh. Right. Gee. Lucky we have you around to get all po-faced on our behalf, eh.

Have you ever thought about studying to be a teacher?

6/20/2008 02:46:00 pm  
Blogger Luke H said...

Funny you say that - both my parents are teachers (Dad was a principal) and my girlfriend is in teacher's college right now.

She talks about the meaningless feel-good pro-Maori guff that is standard in the curriculum.

Mum and Dad both told me never to become a teacher!

6/20/2008 02:56:00 pm  
Anonymous Random Fuckwit said...

Watching PC & Pergio's piss weak defense of this clearly delusional sociopath is wildly entertaining, they certainly know how to rally around people of equal quality to themselves. Watching PC descend into name calling after two posts is particularly hilarious.

6/20/2008 04:15:00 pm  
Anonymous Ariel said...

I agree with Luke here. It's time that the Libz kick out Elijah. He is a disgrace to the party. His racism (which is un-libertarian) & constant put down to others (more like pretending that he is filthy rich, but he's not) and most of all, his idiotic comments on blogosphere, must be an embarrassing to the Libz.

If the Libz love Elijah, so much, then please let him be an Auckland Minister, if the Libz get to Parliament, but just restrict him from visiting K'Rd at night time.

6/20/2008 09:41:00 pm  
Anonymous LGM said...

Seems the collectivist mindset of outfits including the Brown Table and fellow travellers have been most successful institutionalising certain schemes and also particular cultural habits. The tragedy is that now whenever someone raises the less salubrious results for discussion, that person is taunted as being racist. Similarly, the victims, trapped in a hopeless culture of dependence, identify their plight not with the destructive nature of collectivism, but rather as the result of racial and historical determination.

Attacking an individual because you don't like the point he raises is a weakling's way of avoiding the point he raises. Ask yourself, "Is there an element of fact of reality in what he called your attention to?" If so, address it.

LGM

6/21/2008 08:00:00 am  
Anonymous hanso said...

I think the badges are quite funny, but you can't deny that Elijah doesn't go over the top with his jokes. Making smarmy comments about Māori and working class people can be a politicaly incorrect breath of fresh air, but Elijah sometimes takes them to the point of racism and snobbery.

6/21/2008 08:03:00 am  
Anonymous Lance said...

Cross-posted from SOLO:

I'm sitting with the fence post jammed firmly up my crack on this one. I tend to think in opposites - give me a situation or example and I'll generally consider how or if the opposite could or would hold true. Or to put it another way I'm often deliberately contrarian. For example when I first read about these abominable badges (that are not only a bad idea for the fact that they want school teachers running around with racially exclusive slogans pinned to their tweed jackets, but are a cringe worthy, patronising failure even discounting that), my first inclination was to consider the effect of teachers running around with racially exclusive negative slogans pinned to their tweed jackets. After all if we float the (not true but let's pretend) idea that "nice" racism is OK, then it holds that "not nice" racism is OK too. Because nice/not nice or offensive/not offensive are entirely subjective and not valid as criteria for judging the "racism" part. Racism can be judged independently of the nice/not nice variables as in both situations it remains what it is - an excercise in irrational collectivism: Ascribing all manner of traits to an individual because of his race, whether or not those traits are "nice" or "not nice".

Coming across Elijah's post with no prior knowledge of him, I'd see it as a case of "Well, if we're going to play that silly game" and as an illustration of the point I am trying to make above. Where I take issue however is that I have read Elijah's irrational and racist dribblings before. I also take issue with "accurate" and "honest". Rather than pointing out the irrationality in the original badges by simply flipping them to make the point - it could very, very easily be construed with Elijah's history here and the way he has put it, that his intention was in fact to challenge not the racism itself, but the "nice" part of it. It could be construed that Elijah thinks "not nice" racism would be more "accurate" or "honest".

Like I said, I'm sitting firmly on the fence with this one (and will no doubt cop it from all sides because of it) and I'll probably regret wading in to the thread.

6/21/2008 11:16:00 am  
Blogger Murray said...

Mine works in a slightly different direction.

http://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/batges-we-don-need-no-stinkn-batges/

6/21/2008 11:48:00 am  
Anonymous rich prick said...

Well, seeing as we are all getting offended, I'm offended that so government functionary thinks that I have made such an appalling job of raising my children that their teachers have to wear those stupid badges to get my childeren to engage with them.

Bullshit always seems to look and smell like bullshit.

6/22/2008 05:55:00 pm  
Anonymous DenMT said...

PC, I'm pretty amazed to see you championing Elijah's racist bullshit. Do you honestly, honestly find it either funny or clever? Fails both tests for me.

Perhaps you think neither criterion is important, as his lowest-common-denominator effete sneering makes some sort of timely, important point. I don't. I think he's simply marked himself out as a hilariously elitist wanker. Poor show, chap, eh what.

DenMT

6/23/2008 02:31:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

Hi DenMT

It matters not whether you consider that you like Elijah or whether you do not. The point at issue remains. Is it correct? Is there an element of truth in it? What do you think about it?

LGM

6/23/2008 11:37:00 am  
Blogger Luke H said...

"What do you think about it?"

LGM, DenMT has clearly told you exactly what he thinks about it.

Any element of truth raised by the original post - and there are horrid statistics to "back" almost every badge except perhaps the Taniwha one - are overshawdowed by the overall tone of negative racial stereotypes.

There are ways, and then there are ways. Elijah Lineberry simply does things very consistently in a racist way.

6/23/2008 05:45:00 pm  
Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

The label of Education for this post may be appropriate, but Humour certainly isn't. Run the badge for Pakeha and see what you get. Try some Asian ones. Jews, they can take a joke.

6/24/2008 12:39:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

Luke


What DenMT has written about is his opinion of Elijah's "racism". He has not commented on whether there is truth in what the badges direct one's attention to and whether there is any truth in that.

DenMT played the man. But what he's being asked about is the issue raised.

Can he answer?

---

Turning now to your opinion.

What you are saying is that since you don't like racial stereotypes, therefore you do not intend to consider or address the core issue seriously. The excuse you offer for evading the point is very weak.

So what if you dislke Elijah and how he presents material? The issue to focus on is whether fact has been identified and what it means. Perhaps there is a correlation between a sterotype and an element of reality. If there is, why so? What is causing it?

So, put your opinion about Elijah aside for a moment and address the questions above. What do you think?

LGM

6/24/2008 06:44:00 am  
Anonymous Justin said...

1. You’re giving Lineberry way too credit by interpreting this as “satirical response” to the ridiculous Ministry of Education initiative. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one and isn’t this more likely to be another case of Lineberry denigrating an ethnic group he feels is inferior? Context is important: a black joke might be funny when Chris Rock tells it, but not when a clansman does.
2. The “response” isn’t funny. Hardly side-splitting; hardly a belly laugh; hardly in the vein of Carlin or Wilde. “Give me your land.” Hilarious.
3. If this is not an example of the racism as defined by Rand - i.e. the idea that ‘a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born’ - what is? What’s the threshold for expressing the racism Rand finds so abhorrent? A lynching?
4. In the context of Rand’s epistemology, there’s no “truth” or “accuracy” here. It’s irrelevant how overrepresented Maori are in negative social statistics; it’s still a crude collectivist generalization. Seeing 100 black ducks does not mean that all ducks are black.

6/24/2008 09:32:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

Justin

How about you direct your comments to the topic and quit with the lynching.

When will you fellows address the point at issue instead of playing the man?

LGM

6/24/2008 02:42:00 pm  
Blogger Elijah Lineberry said...

Because they can't LGM.

The fact some people are on a sticky wicket by claiming offense or inaccuracy with the badge ideas is what angers them more than anything.

As such they resort to name calling and personal abuse, but cannot point to a single badge idea and say "that is not true".

6/24/2008 02:52:00 pm  
Blogger Luke H said...

Elijah, as far as accuracy goes, I bet the proportion of Maori who actually believe in Taniwhas would be pretty small. And the percentage of Maori who are "5th Generation Bludgers" would also be pretty tiny, I suspect.

6/25/2008 01:30:00 pm  
Anonymous Justin said...

Libertarians and other anti-egalitarians know how wrongheaded the original badges are. That’s a given. What’s not a given is how well libertarians and other anti-egalitarians understand the error of collectivist thinking.

I’m assuming the badges characterize some kind of “Maori epistemology”. I’m assuming that, say, badge 9 suggests that “if you are a Maori you have an invalid claim on someone else’s land.” As long as you can find one exception to this suggestion, this is demonstrably false. This is exactly the kind of collectivist thinking that Rand refers to; an implication that a Maori’s moral character is determined by genetics.

Coming from a libertarian, or any other kind of anti-egalitarian, it simply can’t be compared to, say, an Irish drinking joke or a Jewish thrift joke. For many of us, drinking and thriftiness are hardly vices. But an unjust claim on another’s property most certainly is. Additionally, the badges don’t share the same benevolent spirit as the other jokes, especially not coming from someone who has previously advocated “ethnic cleansing”.

Alternatively (and more likely the case), Linberry might be suggesting that a relatively large or vocal minority of Maori have this invalid claim on someone else’s land. This might be what LGM and others mean by “accurate”. However, Lineberry doesn’t make this clear, and, regardless, the implication that (all) Maori are defined by this is grossly unjust to those that think differently. Given that we know that a nasty undercurrent of racism exists amongst weak-minded individuals as a rationalization for their own failures and frustrations, all it seeks to do is reinforce the kind of thinking Rand criticizes.

Libertarians (and Objectivists in particular) are capable of better.

6/25/2008 02:33:00 pm  
Blogger PC said...

As someone once said, possibly George Carlin, "Trying to explain a joke to the humorless is like trying to explain sex to a nun."

6/25/2008 02:59:00 pm  
Anonymous DenMT said...

PC, in my opinion that was a desperately poor attempt to defend something that wasn't remotely funny. Lineberry's parlour-room bullshit was a guffaw for neanderthal rednecks at best.

To respond to LGM: Indeed, my dislike for Elijah Lineberry based on his despicable online persona has no real bearing on anything. You ask 'is it correct'? Is what correct? Is it correct that Maori people prefer welfare to work? No. Do you think so? Is it incisively witty to suggest so, to point up the fact that Maori are disproportionately represented in unemployment and sickness benefit statistics? You be the judge.

'Let's Get Bashing'? '5th Generation Bludger'? Not remotely funny, or close to the truth. Simply the product of a very simple, ancient form of mockery. And simple things amuse simple minds.

DenMT

(It is comforting to me now that I live in another country to step back and remember that the views championed on this blog are shared by a very tiny, tiny sector of NZ society.)

6/25/2008 09:57:00 pm  
Blogger Elijah Lineberry said...

There would not be such a fuss if I had not been hitting the nail on the head.

Because you know I am right, but find it politically incorrect, is why you are getting all bolshie.

6/26/2008 07:15:00 am  
Anonymous Justin said...

Elijah, you claim that you’re “right”. Right about what? What precisely is the claim you are making? You’ve just admitted that these are accurate observations. The principle behind this kind of comedy is to stretch a non-essential far from reality to the point of absurd exaggeration. That’s what makes it funny: the absurdity (and the delivery.) A joke, by definition, is not serious. So what are these badges? Humorous exaggerations stretched far from reality or “honest” and “accurate” observations?

It’s beyond cynicism to present an honestly held opinion in a way that can be interpreted ambiguously. So much for “saying what you mean and meaning what you say”. It’s the very definition of dog whistle: presenting statements in one context than you know will be interpreted in another. I put it to you, sir, that this was never a light-hearted attempt at humor. It was an effort to reinforce the idea that Maori are morally inferior, taking advantage of the silly and wasteful initiative by the Ministry of Education that was in the news.

Lineberry, don’t pretend for a moment that you occupy the moral high ground. I know you’re wrong. You probably take some comfort that tens if not hundreds of thousands of ignorant, frustrated people secretly agree with you, but that doesn’t make you (or them) any less wrong.

6/26/2008 09:51:00 am  
Anonymous LGM said...

Hi Den

"..You ask 'is it correct'? Is what correct?"

Read what I wrote and address it directly. That's the best policy. It’s not difficult either.

I wrote, "The point at issue remains. Is it correct? Is there an element of truth in it? What do you think about it?"

Clearly "it" refers to "the point at issue" and that point is not whether you like Elijah (or not). Nor is it whether you like what he presented (or not). The issue is whether what he identified contains a truth (a fact of reality). What is required here is a more serious consideration than, "I don't like Elijah because he says naughty bad things."

So consider, is there an element of truth in what was presented? Is there a correlation between the stereotype and the behaviour/attitude/circumstances/ideas of the people it is aimed at? If there is, why are some people like that? What is going on with them?

Of course, in the end this all boils down to ideas. That's what really needs to be looked at in a bit of detail. For instance, is welfarism moral? What does it do to the people who are infected by it or the ones who are subjected to it or those who are subjugated to it? What about those who suffer endless expropriations of resources (time and property etc.) to fund it? Similarly, what about the socialism, collectivism and political correctness (which several people around here seem to be infected with themselves) that leads some to conclude that one person (or group of persons) must be treated differently than another on the basis of non-fundamental attributes? Is that moral? If not, why not? Next, apply that to the bleeding heart liberals, certain authorities, special interests and influential lobbyists. After all, these are the ones who bleat on and on about prejudice and racial stereotyping while doing exactly that themselves. Hypocrites indeed…

Those badges, unpleasant though you may find them, are not so easily dismissed.

---

You write that you are off shore. Where are you living these days? What’s it like?

LGM

6/26/2008 03:19:00 pm  
Blogger Elijah Lineberry said...

Justin, Dem and others, as I said on another post on solopassion.com, for my badges to be inaccurate means you believe:

1. In taniwhas
2. That there is no Mongrel Mob initiating violence against others
3. There are no Maori on welfare
4. Maori are entitled to blame everyone else for their problems
5. Maori do not fail exams
etc...etc..

So if you chaps want to live in a PC fantasy World believing in taniwhas ..well..knock yourselves out, but some of us live in a real World, where real things exist and prefer to tell the truth as it is.

6/26/2008 06:49:00 pm  
Anonymous Justin said...

Elijah, applying your logic, it would be equally true to say:

Capitalists are rapists
Caucasians are genocidal
Libertarians are assholes
etc.

According to your logic, as long as you can find a single example, the statement becomes “true”. That renders the status of “truth” pretty meaningless. What you’re doing is defining by non-essentials. A single instance, a minority, a plurality, or even a majority of instances does not (necessarily) define the concept. If, in a parallel universe, the majority of Maori were members of violent gangs, Maori would still not be defined by this. A man, regardless of race, is not defined by the choices of others. Do you think it is just or “accurate” to associate Cpl. Willie Apiata VC (who identifies as a Maori) with these traits?

For your statements to be truly accurate, they need to be qualified more preceisely. For example:

[A tiny minority of] Maori believe in taniwhas
[An overrepresented minority] of Maori are on welfare
etc.

However, you really have no interest in accuracy. You seek to make broad generalizations about an entire ethnic group by highlighting negative, non-essential traits. You seek to negate those crucial qualifications and infer causality (rather than merely an insignificant correlation) between race and morality.

I am glad that there’s now some clarity around whether these were statements of “accuracy” or whether they were “jokes”.

6/27/2008 09:29:00 am  
Blogger PC said...

Justin, let me quote comedian George Carlin for you, who died this week:

"I believe you can joke about anything. It all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exaggeration is. What the exaggeration is. Because every joke needs one exaggeration. Every joke needs one thing to be way out of proportion..." This, by the way, was his way of introducing a monologue on how rape can be funny. (His example: Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.)

6/27/2008 10:05:00 am  
Anonymous Justin said...

Hi PC, I'm not a politcally correct umbrage-taker and I do appreciate George Carlin's humor. But, as Carlin notes, the keys are in construction (Lineberry's was poor) and exaggeration (according to Lineberry, they weren't, they were "accurate".)

6/27/2008 10:16:00 am  
Anonymous Rico said...

You seek to negate those crucial qualifications and infer causality (rather than merely an insignificant correlation) between race and morality.

Justin , your quote is too intellectual for Elijah to comprehend.

6/27/2008 08:14:00 pm  

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