Monday, 10 April 2006

A reminder that we're still at war with barbarism

Death to Marxism! Death to Fascism! Death to Islam! Death to all forms of tyranny over the minds of men! And shame on those who would appease or apologise for the evils these disgusting and barbarous ideas represent.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for cowards to appease it - and Islam is the locus of evil in the contemporary world." If that statement from The Free Radical's Lindsay Perigo is not true, then the death and destruction of September 11 did not happen; then Theo van Gogh was not murdered; then the Danish cartoonists are not in hiding in fear of their lives; then hordes of stone-age barbarians did not take to the streets in reaction against those cartoons to say "Europe, you will have your own Holocaust soon," "Behead those who would insult Islam" and "God Bless Hitler"; then Bali, Madrid and London were not bombed by maggots who show those threats need to be taken very seriously indeed.

It's still not clear to some people that war was declared in the name of Islam some five years ago by representatives from the dark ages who hate the West for its wealth, for its happiness and for its material success. This post is yet another reminder for those people. Since that time and in the name of Islam, murderous morons have reaped destruction across the globe -- and make no mistake, they mean to continue until another curtain of darkness has been brought down over the West. THEY MEAN IT! If you still don't understand that, then either you have a mind incapable of learning from events happening right in front of your eyes, or perhaps it's time you did some serious reflection. Let me help you in that task by reminding you that these barbarians want you enslaved and destroyed, and the world of the West returned to the darkness from which it once came. THEY DO MEAN IT!

Said the scum who murdered Dutch film-maker Theo van Gogh at his trial for the killing, he "acted out of religious conviction and would do it again if given the chance." He really does mean it.
I don't feel your pain," he told Van Gogh's mother, Anneke. "I don't have any sympathy for you. I can't feel for you because I think you're a nonbeliever... I did what I did purely out of my beliefs. I want you to know that I acted out of conviction... If I ever get free I would do it again.
Said Abu Musab A- Zarqawi, Al-Qaeda frontman in Iraq and perpetrator there of bombings, butchering and beheadings, "Islam permits the killing of "infidel" civilians.":

In Islam, making the difference is not based on civilians and military, but on the basis of Muslims and infidels," said the voice attributed to the fugitive leader who has a 25-million-dollar price on his head.

"The Muslim's blood cannot be spilled whatever his work or place, while spilling the blood of the infidel, whatever his work or place, is authorized if he is not trustworthy.
Make no mistake, these are voices from the dark ages; representatives of ideas as intolerant and cruel as they are unfortunately widespread. The barbaric ideas these men represent are as evil as the murders committed in their name. The stone-age representatives of those ideas are not going away-- indeed, if left unopposed they plant to bring sharia and dhimmitude and death to all those unbelievers and infidels they can reach. THAT MEANS YOU! If that's something some of you still don't understand, then perhaps you should refrain from criticising those who do. For until you do you're like a child in an adults' world, and your brainless chattering just distracts adults when they're talking.

Fortunately, there are adults who do understand. As Tony Blair said just days ago, "the struggle facing the world today was not just about security. It was also 'a struggle about values and modernity, whether to be at ease with it or enraged at it'." As Dr Wafa Sultan bravely said on Al-Jazeera television just one month ago:
The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete...
And as Lindsay Perigo said in that Free Radical editorial criticised as "reminiscent of the rhetoric which led to the Holocaust" by an infantile fool who smears Perigo as a Nazi (and who is linked to by a hand-wringing David Farrar) :

Human beings worthy of the title must rise up and shout in irresistible unison: “Enough of this primordial primitivism! We who are civilised are revolted by it and shall rebuff it at every turn!” Muslims must discover rationality and decency; Westerners must rediscover them, and, as a matter of urgency, speak up for them!

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for cowards to appease it—and Islam is the locus of evil in the contemporary world.

There’s been far too much appeasement of it...

It cannot be defended—indeed, it can only be betrayed—by apologetic weasel-worders appeasing militant, murderous morons whose savage pseudo-sensibilities have been stirred, not by sticks and stones, but by words.

May men of righteous rationality reignite the flame of reason and fight an unapologetic philosophical jihad in its holy name, that it may illumine the globe and save the world from another Dark Ages.

Bravo! Death to Marxism! Death to Nazism! Death to the barbarities of the Dark Ages! And as Perigo concludes himself, "Death to Islam -- and all forms of tyranny over the minds of men!"

UPDATE: I'm adding a link to an excellent piece by Amit Ghate on 'The Islamist Threat to Civilization' which concretises exactly that, showing exactly what is at stake and why. It's not Islamism versus Chistianity, its Islamism versus every civilising value that the West stands for.

LINKS: Death to Islam - Lindsay Perigo
Muslim radical confesses to Van Gogh killing in court tirade - Times Online
Intolerance in the Quran - Skeptics Annotated Quran
Cruelty in the Quran - Skeptics Annotated Quran
Death to hate speech - Ruth - Chaos Theory
Anti-Islam speech - David Farrar, Kiwiblog
"A battle of values..." - Not PC
'Clash of civilisations' rubbished by Arab-American woman - Not PC
The Islamist threat to civilization - Amit Ghate, Capitalist Magazine

War, Multiculturalism, Religion


  1. So you, as a libertarian, would restrict the rights of one of my best mates to practice his religion?

    I am continually shocked and amazed at the vitriol which has come out of certain quarters regarding Islam - most of all by Lindsay Perigo's bile-spewing.

    Can you honestly subscribe to the destruction of Islam as a religion? This is a closed, 'yes/no' question. I feel very strongly about this, having seen first-hand some of the shit that the above-mentioned friend and his family have had to put up with.

  2. DEN: "So you, as a libertarian, would restrict the rights of one of my best mates to practice his religion?"


    "Can you honestly subscribe to the destruction of Islam as a religion? This is a closed, 'yes/no' question."


    RICK: Please keep quiet. Adults are talking.

  3. Damn. So you believe that Islam should be banned or destroyed or whatever on a purely personal sort of heart-felt level, from the moral space which is separate from Libertarianism's amoral 'live and let live' individualist policy.

    That is quite arcane thinking and I think I need a steer in order to properly understand how your logic works there.

    I am getting extraordinarily worried at the amount of people who lump extreme, fundamentalist Islam into the same category as mainstream Islam.

    I would love to see you explain to a Kiwi Muslim exactly why she should be denied to worship as she wishes.

    Blind anti-Muslim sentiment appears to be on the rise, and as I see it, is dangerous and inflammatory. If nothing changes, it will lead to a hatred on par with the senseless and misguided hatred espoused by extremist 'Jihadi' muslims.

  4. Well Denmt, how would you fight such hatred directed at us 'infidels'?.

    Note that burying one's head in the sand and critising those who see the danger posed by islam for what it is isn't an option.


  5. Bravo Peter.

    Advocates of freedom are not talking about stopping (read: forcing) people from believing in whatever nonsense they wish to believe in. (Note that advocates of reason and freedom have never used threats to force their ideas on others) What they are highlighting is that there is a war of ideas being played out before our very eyes. And those irrational ideas need to be exposed and destroyed by showing that better rational ideas do exist. These rational ideas are the ones which took us out of the dark ages, which is where Islam wishes us to be.


  6. denmt still believes in peaceful islam. The only problem is that you can't find moderate muslims. They might be contend to lie low, but in the end, you denmt, live in The House Of War.

    The only issue I have with PC is that the war began not 5 years ago, but in 622 A.D.

    Other than that I'm glad to see people waking up to the reality that it is fight or convert.

  7. denmt, no-one's suggesting that your friend (or any Muslim) should be prohibited from practicing his religion. Perhaps you should actually read what Cresswell and Perigo have written.

  8. "The only problem is that you can't find moderate muslims."

    Oh no? I play squash with one at least once a week. What planet are you on?

  9. Duncan, I HAVE read what was written, which is where the problem stems from. Both diatribes advocate for the 'death' of Islam.

    The wackier this whole dialogue gets, the more it sounds like people reason with no recourse to the reality of the situation here in New Zealand. The only acts of hatred we have seen manifested between Muslims and 'westerners' here have been one-way affairs, really. Stupid, cro-magnon acts of vandalism against mosques, and shouted insults in the street.

    Globally it's a different story of course. Radical and dangerous Muslim elements that must be controlled - that is beyond debate. What is entirely ridiculous is the pseudo-survivalist, adversarial 'them-or-us' gung-ho attitude of a lot of people, especially around the blogosphere.

    I usually find PC to be quite balanced and reason carefully through an argument, but it beggars belief that anyone could call for the 'death' of a religion that gives hope to a fifth of the world's population, the vast majority of whom are NOT bloodthirsty heathens.

    I would never attempt to 'appease or apologise' for the abhorrent acts of a radical minority, but no sooner would I tar a huge portion of the world's peace-loving population with the same brush. And I think anyone that does is living an alternate reality.

  10. denmt,

    Have you read the transcript of the interview in which 'moderate' Muslim MP Choudhary condoned the stoning of homosexuals in countries under Sharia law? Have you noticed how so many people here in NZ are keen to abrogate free speech lest it offend Muslims?

    The war against Western civilisation, and the human rights it protects, is every bit as real in NZ as it is overseas. One doesn't have to fight with bullets and bombs if one can fight by pleading that one is offended, and having appeasers like Ross Robertson trampling over the rights of NZers on one's behalf.

  11. Look Duncan, you're arguing a separate point.

    There are plenty of ways that a Kiwi can offend other Kiwis of different religious or ethnic backgrounds, be they Muslim, Catholic, Mennonite or Destiny's Church adherent.

    The extent to which you feel aggrieved at their offence is STILL your business. Freedom of speech is still guaranteed, and last I checked, the Muslim community here in New Zealand was quiet on any plans to commence war on it. Or on any other aspect of NZ life.

    That which causes damage, and deterioration of what is a good relationship, is creating shit-storms out of nothing with the suggestion that NZ is somehow embroiled in a war with it's Muslim citizens.

  12. Freedom of speech is guaranteed? And you say I am living in an alternate reality? Freedom of speech is explicitly restricted by a number of statutes here in NZ - and there are many organisations actively warring against the remainder.

    The Muslim community is the most active & vocal (consider the anti-cartoon protests, for starters), but as I've blogged about in the past, the Catholics with their attempts to bring Blasphemous Libel prosecutions against those who offend their imaginary garden-fairies.

  13. First off, if a person reads the bible and considers it's content he is free to do three things. Dismiss it and go his way after deciding it is not the truth or doesn't want it to be the truth; Decide he will think about it some more at some other time and go his way; or accept it entirely. The last choice is radical to his lifestyle and his life view.

    If someone reads the koran all three apply.

    The latter choice in both cases binds both adherrants to "what is written"

    Got time? Go read. The difference between Mother Theresa and Zarkawi is in what they read and took seriously and literally. Forget the liberal clergy and the so called moderate muslims, they are on a par. The literalists are who matter.

    It is academic in the west, a mere discussion point. It is an entirely different ball game in the sandier parts of the world. The Wahabbi's literal beleif will dictate yours or end it.

    The Quran is a crock, has led millions to misery and will continue to do so.

    Evil does not limit itself, it has to be limited, by law or by war. Fortunatly we still have one law that applies to all and the freedom to choose.

    Want multiculturalism and seperate development? Head for France or Nigeria. Some clues there.


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