Q: "To be totally clear do Māori have more rights than non-Māori New Zealanders?"
Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: "Māori have rights as tangata whenua because we're indigenous ..."
Q: "...and so so those are more rights, right?"
Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: "I think those are, um, more also responsibilities and obligations ..."
Q: "So I just want to be really clear here: you're Māori, I'm not Māori, do you have more rights than me in New Zealand?"
Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: "I have more obligations and I think I do also have more rights with those obligations, absolutely afforded under Tiriti. ...Q: "So so do you think then if if Te Tiriti guarantees a carve-out for Māori-specific rights, do you think that if we are to form modern New Zealand on a constitutional basis around Te Tiriti O Waitangi, that we have different standards of citizenship?"Debbie Ngarewa-Packer: "We have different expectations and different rights, absolutely. ... Extra rights absolutely are afforded because we are indigenous, but everyone else gets to be consulted in kaupapa [per our principle/our philosophy]."
~ Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer from her TVNZ interview 24 Nov 2024
4 comments:
If nothing else this bill is forcing the issue to be stated clearly, as per the admission above. Credit to Jack Tame for staying on point, which is more than you can expect from most of the TVNZ airheads.
He gave Packer a lot more free rein than he did Seymour. So typical of Interviewers these days.
I’m not sure what the opposite of a silver lining is called, but you just found it. Seymour is never going to get equal treatment on an issue like this. But we don’t need it. We just need the true nature of each sides argument to be clearly articulated. That’s been achieved here, so for that we should be grateful. Even if Tame’s not perfectly objective, he was close enough to achieve this. Once that happens the more reality oriented perspective will ultimately prevail, because there’s no avoiding reality.
Its clear that these activists are dishonest, narcissistic and have no reading comprehension.
The treaty clearly states in the first 3 articles: Maori give up all sovereignty to Queen Victoria... *forever* . Maori become British subjects, with the same rights and responsibilities as the people stepping off of the tall wooden ships. Maori must obey British laws.
To be fair, the following is an edge case that might affect some Maori.
the ones who, just like all their ancestors:
1) never signed the treaty.
2) never sold their land moved off their land or bought other land since 1840.
3) never took government welfare or employment.
4) never married into non-maori families, or married into Maori families that did any of the above.
If a Maori person could prove all 4 circumstances applied to them, I'd be willing to listen to their claims of sovereignty and special rights.
Because any of the 4 categories would be accepting British sovereignty.
It not impossible that there are some Maori who fit those 4 categories, but after 185 years, the odds are slim.
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