Thursday, 23 May 2013

The Religion of Peace: Another London Edition

Yes folks, the Religion of Peace has struck again in broad daylight, in Woolwich, London.

News updating here: Terrorists scream Alluha Akhbar as they cut a British soldier's head off in broad daylight

UPDATE: A note from  Bosch Fawstin on the inevitable excuses to come:

Muslims have been killing Non-Muslims *because* they're Non-Muslims for over a Thousand years because Islam Exhorts them to. Every other reason is Pretext.

26 comments:

  1. If the British people don't fight back after this, they are truly doomed.

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  2. Keep your chin up. There are those among us who are on the case. Let that sole beheading not dissuade libertarians and objectivists from their, in general, righteous intrinsicism that immigration of savages is a greater value than safety of citizens. How could they deny another individual's freedom of belief even when said belief is to take over by any means necessary. The savage has just as much right to his belief. Conveniently forget its content, he isn’t going to act on it. If the savage gets what he wants, he’ll surely leave the rest alone. It just won't do that there are individuals unfortunately, by place of birth, infested with the Islam virus and not entitled to enlightenment relative freedoms of movement. It is politically incorrect to be white and have it all, not sharing a little with the down-beaten savage. A house here, tenement there, suburb, whole city elsewhere. What use is philosophy anyhow in this pomo age? Surely it isn't true that philosophy's a guide to living – truth's out of fashion – gray is in. It is comforting to know that, out of the tens of thousands of ‘slime there are bound to be some good individuals, and libertarian tolerance will have been rewarded. Oh, we’ll get the odd stuff-up now and then, largely an outlying exception who feels he hasn’t been generously kept – his bacon-eating neighbours’ dancing and playing music fueling his supremacism. Objectivists and libertarians hold fast your NIOF principle axiomatically and don’t let a few hundred incidents turn you from your path to light. Never mind the guaranteed exposure of the weakness of the philosophy that “immigration of a foe trumps citizens property rights,” after flocks of chickens have come home to roost. Turn a blind eye to the objective threat of force because the promise of kumbaya-land is a far greater value. Casualties are to be expected in this grand, endarkening quest – the race to the bottom. Go for it boys!

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  3. small head gregster

    Dr Smit wrote to a silly girl that if she were any more incompetent she would be on life support. He could have been describing you, so perfectly do you fit his words.

    I am neither a libertarian nor a objectivist person, but even I know that you don't know much about libertarians and objectivist people and what their ideas are. I do know that you are making a pooh of yourself.

    Amit

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  4. Is this about the religion or is it really some more blowback caused because British soldiers are taking part in the injuring, torturing and murdering of many people throughout the mid-East and Asia and Africa?

    Amit

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  5. Is there any good reason the West doesn't impose an immediate moratorium on Muslim immigration? I can't think of one.

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  6. @Richard

    You've got it all backwards. If you want to promote public policy, it is up to you to show an argument that supports your position.

    In what way was this event typical of Muslim behaviour, as opposed to US sponsored radicalization of Muslims?

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  8. Before leaping into print with ignorant statements about "Muslim immigrants": No, the Woolwich barbarians were not born in England, but they were radicalised there, just like other British-born jihadists. And, no, the Boston bombers weren't born in the States, but they were radicalised there too--as were other American-born jihadists.

    The problem, dear reader, is not Muslim immigration--because these brainwashed bastards didn't come in as Muslims, did they. They problem is Jihad, it's the Koran itself, and the west's big problem in dealing with it effectively is the will to name it for what it is, to shame it for the barbarity it represents, and to shame those Muslims who give jihad tacit support.

    The other problem, of course, which holds back the adoption by new Britons and new Americans from fully adopting the culture of their new homeland (as the mass immigrants of the nineteenth centuries did) is the pathetically fawning notion so prevalent in both western countries that they need to apologise for western culture. Why the fuck would any new immigrant want to adopt a culture whose own supposed adherents don't appear to want to stand up for it?

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  9. "Muslim immigrants" because this was for a SOLO thread "Could Libertarians Limit Immigration." The problem *is* Islam. How does Islam show itself? Via Muslims. Shaming would indeed have halted the Nazis as effectively as it will Muslims. You are acting correctly if we were living in a capitalist utopia. I wish such too, but in the meantime context is all important. Democracy is ill-equipped for success with normalised citizens, and is doomed once significant enemies permissibly invade. Open Immigration may have been OK prior to the welfare state, in Rand's time, but the context has altered for the worse. We have western governments acting improperly on everything - and immigration policy is a product of the left for whom it benefits.

    I am also exploring the affirmative to understand those angles.

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  10. "The problem isn't Muslim immigration... it's the Koran itself"

    The question is: Would attacks like these be more or less likely if the UK adopted ridiculous PC open immigration flooding the country with even more Muslims?

    If you were capable of actual objectivity the lack of common sense in your argument would slap you in the face like a cold fish.

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  11. in today's context, open immigration would be a good thing. The existing system creates a black market trade in false documents, stolen identities, people-smuggling operations and so on. This black market makes the border effectively open to terrorists and criminals - and totally closed to productive, independent people who refuse to submit to bureaucrats OR to black-market gangs.

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  12. "They problem is Jihad, it's the Koran itself"

    Jihad means struggle, the struggle can be violent or non-violent, it can be an internal struggle or an external one.

    Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
    Surah 2:190 (Pickthall translation)

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  13. small head gregster

    You don't like moslem people. You are letting your bigotry get in the way of rationality. For example, you refer to the Nazis. Nazism was a product of Western European culture. Nazism gained prevalence in the land of poets and philosophers. Very democractic. Very cultural. Very evil.

    You, personally, are not immune from viscious collectivst thinking. It is incompetent thinking that you display.

    Amit

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  14. Amit:
    I wrote "The problem *is* Islam. How does Islam show itself? Via Muslims."
    I don't like the results of Moslem immigration into welfare states. We can't fix the welfare states so we sure-as-the-caliphate can't fix Moslems taking out their under-employed frustrations. Nazis hated Jews too, and wanted to rule the world. I'll ready myself to repeat myself, judging by your comprehension.

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  15. gregster

    I understand what you wrote. You do not understand the subject you jerk off about. Nevertheless I do have the patience to explain your error and intellectual shortcomings to you in a little more detail.

    The main point is that you are busy collectivising people with your bigotry. Not all people who profess to a particular religion are the same. Also, if you are going to criticise the Objectivist and Libertarian people, for goodness sake, at least understand the ideas they hold to- do not employ convenient caricatures that you make up out of your tortured imagination.

    It was telling that you used the Nazis for the purpose of smearing others. It was clear that you hadn't considered that Nazis were white, Westerners exactly as are you. And they were just as bigoted. You trap yourself in your own web of stupidity.

    Yew, there are religious and political ideologies that are quite silly or even destructive with some of their ideas. All of them are wrong. That people are identified as "belonging" to them does not automatically make all those people evil. Do not collectivise individuals.

    We laughed at your thinking that the Western welfare state can't be repaired and so therefore all moslem people should be punished. Sheer idiocy.

    There is some important homework for you to do. Try finding out about the evils that Western Democractic governments have wrought upon what is casually referred to as the Islamic World. It has been going on for a long time. Follow the money and see what has been committed. It can be no surprise that, as the CIA reported, blowback is emerging.

    Amit

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  16. I’m being accused of being collectivist by a person defending Islam - a person who appears unable to think in terms other than collectivism. Amit says “The main point is that you are busy collectivising people with your bigotry.” Bigotry against race or religion I take it. I do not talk in terms of race – which is proven by my comparison of Moslems with Nazis. This is not a comparison by race or religion but a direct comparison of two collectivist political movements. Amit seems unable or unwilling to identify that Islam and Nazism have the same principles. Again, race: “It was clear that you hadn't considered that Nazis were white, Westerners exactly as are you.” And I hadn’t considered Nazis were white? You are not kidding, which is disturbing, Amit. Am I to be impressed that you’re not calling for my head? It’s clear you have no idea of Objectivism by your inability to detect or apply principles. Of course I’m smearing others – I’m smearing those who bring Nazi-like Jihad.

    Now, about this one: “Do not collectivise individuals.” Implementation of Sharia Law, the stated goal of Moslems, can only occur when sufficient adherents exist in a geographical location. Islam’s advance must be reversed if life is your standard of value.

    “We laughed at your thinking that the Western welfare state can't be repaired and so therefore all moslem people should be punished. Sheer idiocy.” We, who is whe? You check what your friends think before forming a response? A citizen in a welfare state has only partial property rights. Is he also to compromise his life by compromising his self-defense by inviting a supremacist political ideology to set up camp? The facts speak for themselves. Decades ago the West was warned of the threat that Islam represents. Now observe the areas in the West where it has entered. Then tell me in some years’ time “You told me so.”

    Ha. I’m given homework: “Try finding out about the evils that Western Democractic governments have wrought upon what is casually referred to as the Islamic World.” That illustrates where your level of thought lies. You commit the fallacy of cultural relativism - the fallacy that each culture is of equal merit. Moslems, too, need to be saved from Islam.

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  17. gregster

    "I’m being accused of being collectivist by a person defending Islam"

    I did not defend Islam. That statement you wrote reveals you as a base liar. The rest of your missive is full of irrationality, more lies and silly errors. You ought to calm down and turn the emotionalism off. It stops you thinking properly.

    "You commit the fallacy of cultural relativism - the fallacy that each culture is of equal merit."

    gregster you are again a liar. What I did was set you some simple homework to do. It needs you to go do it. That would be the begining of a cure for the dishonest intellectual laziness that plagues you.

    Amit

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  18. Amit, both our comments are here. I stand by all mine. You can think what you like, and thank you for serving as an example of what lurks out there in anonymousville.

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  19. gregster

    Don't be so fearful of fact. Go do the homework you were set. Learn.

    Speaking of anonymous, who is gregster? As the facts have it, a hypocrit indeed.

    Amit Cim PhD

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  21. "Don't be so fearful of fact. Go do the homework you were set. Learn."

    I welcome facts as quickly as you call "liar."

    "Speaking of anonymous, who is gregster? As the facts have it, a hypocrit indeed.

    Amit Cim PhD"

    It's "hypocrite" in the case that you purchased your PhD. You have evaded all of the points I made about the overwhelming similarities between the supremacist mysticism of Islam and of Nazism.

    Whatever I discover in my homework won't change what exists.

    gregster http://www.solopassion.com/blog/836

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  23. gregster

    The fact is that you are a liar. You made dishonest statements because you thought they'd help your position. They did not. They made a liar of you. That was a stupid thing to do.

    The fact is that you are also a hypocrit. Amusing examples include when you cry "evasion" having evaded addressing the homework you were set and also the question, "Is this about the religion or is it really some more blowback caused because British soldiers are taking part in the injuring, torturing and murdering of many people throughout the mid-East and Asia and Africa?" Yes, you are a routine evader when it suits you.

    What you WILL discover when you do the homework you were set is what does exist.

    Amit Cim PhD

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  24. @Amit

    The fact you can't spell 'hypocrite' kind of makes your PhD claim hard to swallow. Idiot.

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  25. Amit Cim PhD - You remain anonymous. Where did you gain your PhD?

    I'm not going to divulge my homework to a faceless coward.

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