Thursday, October 16, 2008

Lying National Socialists

Talking about "that" TV debate yesterday I mentioned one of two questions that particularly interested me:

  Shane Taurima asked Key to clarify his policy on abolishing the Maori seats, which Pita Sharples maintains Key had indicated privately was up for grabs -- something suggesting some kind of mendacity in the public policy. I found Key's response on this unconvincing, and unclear.  Waffle designed to obfuscate.

Apparently Key's response interested Pita Sharples too:

    Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples maintains John Key told him Maori seats would not be abolished if National went into government with the Maori Party, despite Key's denials on a TVNZ leaders debate last night.
    Mr Key was asked yesterday whether he had told Mr Sharples privately he would drop National's policy of abolishing the seats sometime after 2014 as the price of Maori party support, and said Mr Sharples was "wrong."
    However Mr Sharples will claim tonight on an Alt TV minor parties debate: "I was not wrong."
    Mr Sharples said he had explained his bottom lines to Mr Key, who had agreed with them.

Like I said back when this first came up, , National's Maori Affairs policy suggests "either a few problems for the talked-about deal, or a few problems with the honesty of National's policy commitments...

"...this looks like talking out of both sides of the mouth, doesn't it. Promising something in public to the electorate that [their] electorate wants to hear, while in private promising the Maori Party precisely the opposite in order to keep them on side."

Looks even more like it now, doesn't it.  The National Socialists can't even lie straight in bed.

Labels: , , ,

12 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

More crap I see.

Key's policy has been clear: after the next 2 elections, he will have a round of communications and then abolish the racist seats.

There is absolutely no lying on either side. the Nats have never said they'd wipe them out this term, and that's enough for the Maoris.

Is it a good strategy to say this on Key's part: yes!

It is good strategy to keep to that if he gets a majority that doesn't need NZ's apartheid votes?
he probably thinks so.


Frankly I consider it morally absolutely necessary for Key to do or say anything or everything before the election if he can give National+ACT a majority.

It is similarly morally absolutely necessary to vote for National in your electorate and ACT with the party vote (except in Epsom: there do the reverse).


But as soon as ACT+National have enough votes to govern alone, it is similarly absolutely morally necessary for them to do what is required for NZ's longterm future, no matter what they promised!

they should immediately abolish MMP & the Maori seats - no fucking referenda, no nothing. Go to fair, geographic constituencies and appoint the other 60 MPs by various employer & value-creating groups.

they should cut corporate tax to zero, FBT etc to zero, eliminate all benefits and welfare, dump the SOEs as fast as legislatively possible (and that is actually pretty fucking quick),

I'd adopt the US dollar too.


And with ACT+National in government, they will be able to do all this by fucking Christmas.

10/16/2008 02:12:00 pm  
Blogger PC said...

Frankly, sir, your insistence that it's "morally absolutely necessary" to lie your way into power -- in your words "to do or say anything or everything before the election" in order to get power -- is precisely on a par with Chris Trotter's view that corruption is justified in order to gain and keep political power as long as it keeps your opponents out.

Frankly, I didn't think anyone else could stoop so low.

Your opinion, sir, renders your views on any and every topic irrelevant -- since you place power over honesty -- and puts you on a moral par with Trotter.

No wonder you post anonymously.

10/16/2008 02:27:00 pm  
Blogger Elijah Lineberry said...

Anonymous... Will you bet me $150,000,000 National-ACT have no plans to do anything of the sort before Xmas? ha ha!

If you seriously believe what you are writing you will be very disappointed.

10/16/2008 02:31:00 pm  
Anonymous Justin said...

It’s a matter of semantics, as you well know. Key stated that there is no “formal agreement” to maintain the Maori seats and for Sharples to claim otherwise is incorrect; National Party policy is to abolish them after 2014. However, as a result of MMP, parties will revisit their policies while they horse-trade for coalition partners. I have no doubt that JK indicated that the Maori seats policy would be likely to go with a National-Maori agreement, but he would not have given a “formal agreement” at this stage. The looseness of the question permitted a less-than-direct answer. A better question might have been: “Can you give an absolute assurance that the Maori seats policy is non-negotiable?”

10/16/2008 03:13:00 pm  
Blogger Philip said...

In more National (socialist) news:
"Mr Key today used a Dunedin campaign stop to detail how National intends to get better value for money out of the public service.

He said a "Cabinet Expenditure Control Committee" would be set up, which all departmental chief executives would have to report to after reviewing their spending "line-by-line".

"Based on the information it receives, the committee will be able to initiate in-depth spending reviews of particular areas of government administration to ensure the best value for taxpayers and users of public services."

In-depth spending reviews = more taxpayer expenditure on bureaucrats and government parasites to report on how much money other parasites are wasting.

No doubt the CECC will take several months to find any areas for review. The reviews will then take a long time to find where they can cut money. The whole time Key appears to be doing something without actually having to make any decisions himself.

10/16/2008 03:18:00 pm  
Blogger Clunking Fist said...

Philip, true. Why they can't just make up some % cuts and leave it to CEOs to decide where. Eg MinHealth 15%, MinEnviroment 80%, MED 12.75%, etc.

10/16/2008 05:21:00 pm  
Anonymous Sus said...

Philip, I saw that news, too. His rhetoric reminded me of what Clark said she would demand of the public service heads a week out from her win in 1999.

Bet she thought it sounded good, too.

10/16/2008 07:16:00 pm  
Anonymous LGM said...

Anonymous

You are quite deluded.

The key sentance in your ranting is this: "I'd adopt the US dollar too."

You are all about "I'd do this" and "I'd do that." The point here is that it's not about what your dreams might be. It is not about what YOU would or would not do. The National Socialists will not do what your wee mind projects onto them. They are not going to "cut corporate tax to zero, FBT etc to zero, eliminate all benefits and welfare, dump the SOEs as fast as legislatively possible (and that is actually pretty fucking quick)," and they are not going to "do all this by fucking Christmas."

You are projecting your ideas onto a mob that has no interest in you (and likely do not know you even exist). Understand this- they are not beholden to doing what you say. They'll do whatever THEY like. Did you get that?

So,in conclusion, you are deceiving yourself by supporting them.

LGM

10/17/2008 07:26:00 am  
Anonymous high blood pressure prevention said...

well it was good debate

10/17/2008 09:11:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are not going to "cut corporate tax to zero, FBT etc to zero, eliminate all benefits and welfare, dump the SOEs as fast as legislatively possible (and that is actually pretty fucking quick)," and they are not going to "do all this by fucking Christmas."

you're assuming they will have a choice not to do this.

when the NZD follows the ISK

they won't have one

10/17/2008 03:25:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note dear lgm, I said


And with ACT+National in government, they will be able to do all this by fucking Christmas.


not that they would do it.

would be able to do it.


will they do it all? of course not.

will they have to do more than they've said so far? assuredly.

With Helen campaigning on a mini-budget before xmas, we can be sure English & Douglas will want one too!

10/17/2008 03:28:00 pm  
Anonymous LGM said...

You don't comprehend much.

The point for you to understand is that you've been projecting your wishes and dreams (what YOU want) onto an outfit that has nothing to do with you. The National Socialists will not do what your wee mind projects onto them. Get it? They'll do what they want to do- not what you wish for them to do. Do you understand that?

They are not going to put all the unionists in jail. They aren't going to execute all the members of the Labour Party. They are not going to cut corporate tax to zero and all the rest of your deluded rantings. You are an utter idiot to think otherwise.

Stated again, you are deluding yourself to support these guys on the basis of projecting your ideology onto them. They aint interested in you or your ideas. Not at all. You're just a useful idiot (useful for your vote and then of no use for three years).

LGM

10/18/2008 08:58:00 am  

Post a Comment

Respond with a polite and intelligent comment. (Both will be applauded.)

Say what you mean, and mean what you say. (Do others the courtesy of being honest.)

Please put a name to your comments. (If you're prepared to give voice, then back it up with a name.)

And don't troll. Please. (Contemplate doing something more productive with your time, and ours.)

<< Home