tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post2805255258084091330..comments2024-03-22T11:55:50.335+13:00Comments on Not PC: Concerned, from Epsom [updated]Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-3966858211674678992014-09-22T22:23:53.931+12:002014-09-22T22:23:53.931+12:00Hey you guys just got sentenced to another three y...Hey you guys just got sentenced to another three years of servitude. Do you think your "say" (vote) made a difference to what is going to happen to you now?<br /><br />If you voted you cannot complain! <br /><br />AmitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-86217983204420484162014-09-22T22:21:18.924+12:002014-09-22T22:21:18.924+12:00Angry Tory
I do not understand your approach. Ho...Angry Tory<br /><br />I do not understand your approach. How can a man enjoy quiet enjoyment of his property if the guy next door is emitting smells, noise, nuisance and the like what come across the boundary? There is a lack of consistency in your definition somewhere I fear. Can you explain and clarify for me. I am interested.<br /><br />Amit Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-88534006618051778092014-09-22T22:18:09.440+12:002014-09-22T22:18:09.440+12:00Whitehead
So what did LibZ stand for? I just read...Whitehead<br /><br />So what did LibZ stand for? I just read they stood Lineberry as a candidate in a NZ national election and they were serious. What a pack of dropkicks (to use the Kiwi vernacular).<br /><br />Amit Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-51124070405039440032014-09-22T22:14:12.225+12:002014-09-22T22:14:12.225+12:00Lineberry, trenchman. Outstanding!
Amit Lineberry, trenchman. Outstanding!<br /><br />Amit Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-73158920840920216142014-09-19T20:44:51.596+12:002014-09-19T20:44:51.596+12:00"and a century ago would have been the coward... "and a century ago would have been the cowards in the trenches haha!"<br /><br />You wouldn't have been found anywhere near trenches, Lineberry. You'd have been trying to turn a meagre profit from the efforts of war profiteers, and cheering on the slaughter from the sidelines along with the other Atlases. Chaznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-45924762903299604082014-09-19T20:26:31.541+12:002014-09-19T20:26:31.541+12:00I'll be voting ACT.
Falafulu FisiI'll be voting ACT.<br /><br />Falafulu FisiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-44700858640537937362014-09-19T20:01:34.241+12:002014-09-19T20:01:34.241+12:00ACT is the nearest party to what Libz stood for. I...ACT is the nearest party to what Libz stood for. It's not perfect & suffers from a lack of consistency, but it's the best we have available.<br /><br />B Whitehead Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-64380192381209231142014-09-19T19:05:28.320+12:002014-09-19T19:05:28.320+12:00Sam P - you summed it up well, and exactly what I ...Sam P - you summed it up well, and exactly what I was saying last week about the ACT people - they are all sneaky weasels who betray their mates very easily which is why you can't trust them, and a century ago would have been the cowards in the trenches haha! <br /><br />The more I see and hear of NewACT the prouder I am for voting NationalMr Lineberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-13423515953180937302014-09-19T16:50:16.185+12:002014-09-19T16:50:16.185+12:00No you don't get it. Sure you could allow comm...No you don't get it. Sure you could allow common-law "negotiation" and caveats and sight lines and all the rest and what you end up with a mess by another mechanism. <br /><br />True Property Rights are simple: My Property, My Rights. Your right to complain ends at the boundary. If you don't like my noise - take personal responsibility and double-glaze; if you don't like the smell, fit air filters; if you want light, fit arc lamps. And if I'm apparently in some way inconvenienced by something you do to your land inside your boundary: well it's up to me to take personal responsibly for my discomfort - not come winging.<br /><br /><i> ie noise, shading etc ie "real" impacts....</i><br /><br />No it's pathetic NIMBYIsm. If you don't like what I'm doing with my land - either offer to buy me out, or leave.<br />Meanwhile I will take complete personal responsibility for myself and my property - and I won't come whinging to you with complaints or lawsuits --- as long as whatever your doing hasn't crossed my boundary.<br /><br />Real Property Rights - Simple, Straightforward, no need for judges or juries or torts to adjudge precedents back to the Norman conquest. If we're going to reform the RMA let's do it properly: real rights, no whinging. Just a simple rule: What's mine's me own. Angry Torynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-11012246422254171202014-09-19T15:56:12.001+12:002014-09-19T15:56:12.001+12:00Gee, so great of Mr McCaffrey to share his deep st...Gee, so great of Mr McCaffrey to share his deep strategic insight with us all on the eve of the election. Yep, stuff that hardly could have waited. Solid chap. Good man to have alongside in the trenches I bet. Jesus.<br /><br />Sam Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09035978404256500568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-3242108879686770752014-09-19T14:38:45.475+12:002014-09-19T14:38:45.475+12:00"But we need a better debate - and I think Se..."But we need a better debate - and I think Seymour/White are the only people that I would support here to do that."<br /><br />Yes, there's that.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-51924369253194522732014-09-19T14:31:14.367+12:002014-09-19T14:31:14.367+12:00Well said Peter.
It's amazing how some people...Well said Peter.<br /><br />It's amazing how some people just don't get it. Interestingly David Kirkpatrick (now Judge), and chair of Unitary Plan, in a paper a few years ago alluded to 2 planning rules - you let me do what I want, and I won't impact on your property.<br />the whole NIMBY rubbish needs to be debunked out in the media somehow. While maybe 30-40% are over-stating, my experience is that the majority of NIMBY's are basing it on that right to peaceful enjoyment. ie noise, shading etc ie "real" impacts. Some however do go beyond, ie visual impact, lost views, too many people etc.<br />But we need a better debate - and I think Seymour/White are the only people that I would support here to do that.marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-68341123853648234782014-09-19T13:59:41.915+12:002014-09-19T13:59:41.915+12:00@Idiotic Tory: Your idiotic caricatures continue t...@Idiotic Tory: Your idiotic caricatures continue to ignore the nature of real property rights in land, which consist of the right to peaceful enjoyment of your land -- containing within it (as you've ignored many times) the corollary that your neighbour has <i>the equal right to the peaceful enjoyment of *his* land.</i><br /><br />Got that?<br /><br />Common law recognises this corollary through recognition of rights to light, to air, to support and so on -- and offers you a response in either nuisance or trespass if without prior negotiation and agreement (which common law makes easy), you were to shade or obscure your neighbours window(s), or emit foul smells, or excavate to undermine him, or emit excessive noise or vibration, or transmit your runoff across his land, or emit sparks that set fire to his crops etc.<br /><br />These are all fairly standard examples for which common law has built up a network of precedents over many centuries, and many straighforward ways to deal with them.<br /><br />So in short, Idiotic Tory, please take your caricatures and find a dark place to shove them.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-25304907877471745882014-09-19T13:22:39.107+12:002014-09-19T13:22:39.107+12:00National is now well to the left of the Clark-Cull...National is now well to the left of the Clark-Cullen "government". Who else is left? <br /><br />ACT's been going blancmange ever since Whyte took over - incest; supporting every red cent of National's welfare spend - but you still have to vote for either them or Craig. <br />Angry Torynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-35234538213888211512014-09-19T12:07:25.765+12:002014-09-19T12:07:25.765+12:00At least they recognise the issue - the only ones ...At least they recognise the issue - the only ones who do.<br />Far better to have people in there with that knowledge/attitude, than some Peters slot filling idiot!<br />As reforms come up they can argue from within the tent - at the very least could hold balance to stop anything worse being done by withdrawing support.<br /><br />But common law hasn't gone away - RMA didn't remove those rights, it's just people don't know they can still sue under tort of nuisance etc. <br />To bring back proper property rights, there needs to actually be more common law actions taken now - that will show people that they can claim back control.<br />Council can well zone 6 storey apartment next to you, shading / reducing your amenity and property value, but would a devoper build if they will be sued?marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-11272079149270635342014-09-19T11:37:56.122+12:002014-09-19T11:37:56.122+12:00Yes, I know, it's a bit like voting to have a ...Yes, I know, it's a bit like voting to have a couple of fingers chopped off instead of your whole arm, but I will be voting ACT.Kiwiwithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507667837257013301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-74516512798007273052014-09-19T11:25:02.781+12:002014-09-19T11:25:02.781+12:00Stop being a pedantic purist and vote Act. The alt...Stop being a pedantic purist and vote Act. The alternative is having your property rights being taken away completely. Sometimes libertarians are their own worst enemies. Dintherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09444894238003853527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-89369938904319411492014-09-19T11:23:20.216+12:002014-09-19T11:23:20.216+12:00I think what he is saying is "yes, that is ou...I think what he is saying is "yes, that is our policy - but with 2 MPs we don't have the votes to actually do it".<br /><br />Seymour appears to be thinking beyond the ideological wish lists of those who aren't actually in Parliament, or government, to what the situation would be in real life.<br /><br />Contast that with Colin Craig or Winston First or the Greens talking about 'Bottom Lines" which are dangerous and unable to be implemented, but continue to assure their brain damaged supporters such nonsense can be top of the agenda at 9 o'clock on Monday morning.<br /><br />I am quite impressed with Seymour over this response; perhaps he is the right man for the jobMr Lineberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-21515840938301255612014-09-19T11:16:37.191+12:002014-09-19T11:16:37.191+12:00What should you do...? Drink too many Martini'...What should you do...? Drink too many Martini's today/tonight. Wake late tomorrow, do rude things, breakfast with victim of rude things, keep all news off all weekend, go for a drive somewhere remote; and pretend it's all happening somewhere else far far away, and never speak of elections again.Suzuki Samurainoreply@blogger.com