tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post2793188119413770825..comments2024-03-30T00:09:27.602+13:00Comments on Not PC: The Great Immigration Assimilation Scare (Take Two)Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-54647870149889070822016-03-05T22:16:39.703+13:002016-03-05T22:16:39.703+13:00@ Mark 1 Feb , "consider some of the Germans[...@ Mark 1 Feb , "consider some of the Germans[?] who fled Nazi Germany..." Is this a reference to Jews? Or, if this is too disturbing a name, use Jooz. 'Jooz' is avoided on this site. The Golem here is Muslim. These Germans[?] were special immigrants for other reasons, 'Operation Paperclip'. Very industrious = MK-ULTRA and Monarch and Hollywood Propaganda and MSM and Monsanto, etc.. There is also Coudenhove-Kalegri and his plan to destroy the White European Race by implementing the Zionist plan; Miscegenation of Christian Europe by forced immigration. Also, Barbara Lerner Specter, wife of a rabbi living in Sweden, this Jooez IS advocating 'White Genocide'. Soros, the rich Joo who pays for all the social unrest. Also, ADL and B'nai B'rith and the hundreds of Joo orgs. doing the Hasbara thing. Oy Vey! Was the topic @ Immigration to NZ? 65.000 p a. Does NZ need these? Who says? Who benefits? Only Food Distribution and Construction. Those who own these shill loudest for more social unrest. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-9152656805237762142016-02-02T11:26:58.877+13:002016-02-02T11:26:58.877+13:00Just putting it in its proper place:
I have been ...Just putting it in its proper place:<br /><br />I have been around long enough not to expect 100% guarantee of anything in life. And you are making a fatal error. German does not = Nazi. Nazi = Nazi, just as Muslim = Muslim. A Nazi is a follower of a particular system of ideas, as is a Muslim. Muslim is not a race or a nationality, and Islam is a particular system of ideas. The West should only allow in Muslims who do not take Islam seriously, and I say that because I do take Islam seriously. Unless you start addressing the root - and your two proposals do not - then you are not offering any solution. Just more suicide.Richard Wiighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18014802233741921087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-4052482291737499332016-02-01T14:00:50.816+13:002016-02-01T14:00:50.816+13:00I have been around long enough not to expect 100% ...I have been around long enough not to expect 100% guarantee of anything in life. And you are making a fatal error. German does not = Nazi. Nazi = Nazi, just as Muslim = Muslim. A Nazi is a follower of a particular system of ideas, as is a Muslim. Muslim is not a race or a nationality, and Islam is a particular system of ideas. The West should only allow in Muslims who do not take Islam seriously, and I say that because I do take Islam seriously. Unless you start addressing the root - and your two proposals do not - then you are not offering any solution. Just more suicide.Richard Wiighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18014802233741921087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-16131356787267752022016-02-01T13:41:42.368+13:002016-02-01T13:41:42.368+13:00There can be no absolute guarantees, just as there...There can be no absolute guarantees, just as there could be no guarantees that pre WW2 German immigrants weren't Nazis, or that Vietnamese refugees in the 70's weren't communists, or that southern Italians weren't violent mafia. If you expect a guarantee then you're guilty of the 'precautionary principle' that afflicts environmentalists and bureaucrats; the presumption being that unless you can prove that something is 100% safe it should be banned. If mankind had followed that principle we never would have emerged from the caves.<br /><br />Consider that some of the Germans who fled Nazi Germany eventually went on to help America win the arms race against the Nazis to create the first atomic weapon. If we'd reacted with a blanket ban to all Germans, the outcome of the war may have been different.<br /><br />The point I am making in terms of the downside of an immigration ban stands regardless. Whether that downside is outweighed by the threat is open to debate, and the manner in which we control immigration and screen refugees is also open to debate. But the failure of you/Barry/Brendan to even acknowledge that point (instead flying off the handle and trying to put words in my mouth as to what I 'really mean') is the most disturbing aspect. It's not conducive to rational debate, and Barry's responses in particular suggest a knee jerk and emotional reaction.<br /><br />I don't pretend to have the perfect answer on how we screen potential Muslim immigrants. but off the top of my head we could:<br /><br />1. With the help of intelligence develop a list of groups or factions that are violent or even threaten violence against the West. Publicise these openly. Make it clear that anyone found to be associated with these groups is ruled out from immigration. Aside from keeping the worse ones out it would also provide a strong incentive for potential immigrants to abandon the violent factions if they aspired to come to the west.<br /><br />2. Have a monotarium for any new immigrants of say 5 years. If they are found to breach certain conditions (commit a violent crime, express sympathy for one of the above listed group, etc) they get deported.<br /><br />And I'm sure there are other things you could but that would be start, and would allow you to get rid of most of the dirty bathwater without also throwing out the baby.<br /><br />MarkMarkThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199883270652041621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-13353970997324539502016-01-31T18:18:05.129+13:002016-01-31T18:18:05.129+13:00How do you determine who is and who isn't a th...How do you determine who is and who isn't a threat?Richard Wiighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18014802233741921087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-71999021013760935782016-01-31T17:36:27.102+13:002016-01-31T17:36:27.102+13:00I'm not advocating unlimited Islam immigration...I'm not advocating unlimited Islam immigration into the West. I recognise we're fighting a war against Islam, and explaining why a total ban on Islamic immigration would be a mistake in that context.MarkThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199883270652041621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-5748676037240370972016-01-31T11:41:33.011+13:002016-01-31T11:41:33.011+13:00Peter is treating rights as intrinsic and dropping...Peter is treating rights as intrinsic and dropping the context. By your policies, there will be no West. There will be no sanctuary from which to escape the worst ravages of Islam, because anyone trying to escape it will find it right where they are escaping to. That is what is happening, and fast. The number one priority should be to defend what is left of liberty. Not arguing for a speeding up of the process that is helping destroy it. I see Libertarianism as the process of working towards a fully private society. That should relegate the promotion of open-immigration to the least important rung on the ladder. A fully private society would not have open-immigration. It would actually be an impossibility. I'm beginning to wonder if open immigration isn't more of a statist concept. It certainly goes hand in hand with International Socialism.Richard Wiighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18014802233741921087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-81772804163123900202016-01-31T11:22:34.538+13:002016-01-31T11:22:34.538+13:00Mark. If you have open unmitigated Islamic immigra...Mark. If you have open unmitigated Islamic immigration into the West, it will no longer be the West. So you defeat your whole argument. Have you seen my post to you over in part one?Richard Wiighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18014802233741921087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-51050787670822449602016-01-29T18:58:23.979+13:002016-01-29T18:58:23.979+13:00Actually PC, someone not suffering from cognitive ...Actually PC, someone not suffering from cognitive dissonance would see the gist of our conversations as:<br /><br />PC: "Terrorist attacks have overwhelmingly been carried out by those who grew up in the west"<br /><br />Barry: "So Muslims immigrate, don't assimilate, then their children become terrorists. Can't you see that immigration is still the problem?"<br /><br />PC: Looks up in the sky "La la la la"<br /><br />Barry: "Sweden and Germany have such major issues with rape committed by Muslims their police have been caught trying to cover up the epidemic."<br /><br />PC: "No, I refuse to believe that despite all the evidence."<br /><br />Barry: "What are the actual figures for rapes committed by Muslims in Sweden then?"<br /><br />PC: "La la la la la"<br /><br />PC: "Syrians have made a real mess of their country. We should let an unlimited number of them migrate here, even though we can't effectively screen out terrorists"<br /><br />Barry: "Really? what have you been smoking?"<br /><br />PC: "Steve Jobs' parents were Syrian migrants"<br /><br />Barry: "Out of millions of refugees and thousands of terrorists there might be a Steve Jobs. Can't fault that argument."<br /><br />PC: "Evidence shows immigrants generally use less welfare than locals and assimilate very well."<br /><br />Barry: "That's a good argument as long as you ignore the fact that you are diluting the figures for Muslims with all the other immigrants."<br /><br />PC: "Migrants assimilated more readily in the days when immigrants were treated more as individuals, and western values were promoted."<br /><br />Barry: "Migrants were treated more as individuals in the days before there were high levels of Islamic immigration, before the Islamic ghettos they wish to run according to Sharia law. <br /><br />You said earlier that most terrorists in Europe grew up there. What western values could be promoted to them that they wouldn't already be well aware of?"<br /><br />PC: "La la la la"<br /><br />PC: "The reason assimilation is less successful in Europe is that Europeans base their identity more on race and nationalism."<br /><br />Barry: "You think so? I'd say it's because Europeans don't like their women being sexually assaulted by packs of Muslim men. Did you know some Scandinavian blondes are dying their hair black to reduce the chance of sexual assault?"<br /><br />PC: "I don't care! I have principles! Europe could be in flames and I would still be advocating for open door immigration!"<br /><br />Barry: "I think your favourite hat may have been made using mercuric dye."<br />Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-24565963098990726582016-01-29T16:57:08.736+13:002016-01-29T16:57:08.736+13:00Peter, in my previous comment I asked for referenc...Peter, in my previous comment I asked for references to back up your assertion that it's just the reporting rather than the number of rapes that have changed. I have now looked into this in more detail myself. Probably the best collected reference can be found here:<br /><br />http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape<br /><br />Yes. Twenty-one research reports from the 1960s until today are unanimous in their conclusions: Whether or not they measured by the number of convicted rapists or men suspected of rape, men of foreign extraction were represented far more than Swedes. And this greater representation of persons with a foreign background keeps increasing:<br /><br />1960-1970s – 1.2 to 2.6 times as often as Swedes<br />1980s – 2.1 to 4.7 times as often as Swedes<br />1990s – 2.1 to 8.1 times as often as Swedes<br />2000s – 2.1 to 19.5 times as often as Swedes<br />Even when adjusted for variables such as age, sex, class and place of residence, the huge discrepancy between immigrants and Swedes remains.<br /><br />and...<br /><br />How is it, then, that in 2008, Sweden's neighbor Denmark only had 7.3 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants compared to 53.2 in Sweden?<br /><br />Danish legislation is not very different from Sweden's, and there is no obvious reason why Danish women should be less inclined to report rape than their Swedish counterparts.<br /><br />In 2011, 6,509 rapes were reported to the Swedish police -- but only 392 in Denmark. The population of Denmark is about half the size of Sweden's, so even adjusted for size, the discrepancy is significant.<br /><br />In Sweden, the authorities do what they can to conceal the origin of the rapists. In Denmark, the state's official statistical office, Statistics Denmark, revealed that in 2010 more than half of convicted rapists had an immigrant background.<br /><br />Read the entire article.<br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-64386848472151236602016-01-29T16:47:47.650+13:002016-01-29T16:47:47.650+13:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-82524591408214324482016-01-29T15:23:30.864+13:002016-01-29T15:23:30.864+13:00Imagine several hypothetical conversations with Ba...<i>Imagine several hypothetical conversations with Barry</i>:<br /><br />* * * * <br /><br />PC: "Terrorist acts have overwhelmingly been carried out by those who grew up in the west."<br /><br />Barry: "Yes, ban immigrants."<br /><br />* * * * <br /><br />PC: "Sweden changed the way it measured rape, measuring it differently to other countries, against whom its figures look much higher."<br /><br />Barry: "Yes, Sweden is the rape capital of Europe."<br /><br />PC: "?"<br /><br />Barry: "I haz evidence. 'The foreign rape figures at 77.6% Muslim has been anonymously confirmed by Swedish polish in a phone conversation.' [Actual quote supporting Barry's actual 'evidence']"<br /><br />* * * * <br /><br />PC: "Syrian migrants escaping butchers are likely to be the best-qualified to point out who the butchers are."<br /><br />Barry: "Yes, we should alienate everyone. All Syrian migration should be banned."<br /><br />* * * * <br /><br />Barry: "We have nothing to gain from Syrian migrants."<br /><br />PC: "Steve Jobs' parents were Syrian migrants."<br /><br />Barry: "We have nothing to gain from Syrian migrants.We have nothing to gain from Syrian migrants.We have nothing to gain from Syrian migrants."<br /><br />* * * * <br /><br />PC: "The evidence shows that in New World countries like ours, immigrants of all persuasions generally use less welfare than locals and assimilate very well.<br /><br />Barry: "Yes, muslims never assimilate anywhere."<br /><br />* * * * <br /><br />PC: "Evidence suggests that previous generations of migrants assimilated more readily in the days when immigrants were treated more as individuals, and western values were promoted."<br /><br />Barry: "Here's a link to a picture from 2005."<br /><br />* * * * <br /><br />Barry: "Evidence suggests the reason assimilation is less successful in Europe than in New World countries like ours is that Europeans base their identity more on race and nationalism."<br /><br />Barry: "Bloody foreigners."<br /><br />* * * * <br /><br /><i>Actually, you don't need to imagine it. These have all been the gist of actual conversations here at NOT PC in recent months . . . </i>Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-12808756335271486292016-01-29T12:04:15.555+13:002016-01-29T12:04:15.555+13:00Imagine a hypothetical conversation between Mark a...Imagine a hypothetical conversation between Mark and the family of one of the Paris attack victims:<br /><br />Mark: "Sorry about your loss, but we should open the floodgates to Muslim immigrants so they can learn our culture is better."<br /><br />"They're already well aware of what our culture has to offer, and they want to destroy it."<br /><br />"Sure there may be a whole lot of terrorist attacks in the short term, but in the long term our superior culture will prevail. Only a minority of the 1.6 billion muslims are terrorists."<br /><br />Notice how nuts that is? An immigration policy based on principles that aren't rational is a recipe for disaster.<br /><br /> Muslims have iPhones, TV, internet; they are well aware western societies are better to live in but they don't care. Why? because this life is all about submission to Allah. To them, the next life is what's really important. This is a crucial point you are missing.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-65026092941386601062016-01-29T12:01:30.115+13:002016-01-29T12:01:30.115+13:00Hi Mark
So what is the objective standard?
If ...Hi Mark<br /><br />So what is the objective standard? <br /><br />If your 'objective standard' is 'how well it works' then that's entirely subjective. We don't think Islamic cultures work well, Muslims don't think ours does. <br /><br />Yes, I fully understand the multicultural narrative, and I agree its nonsense. <br /><br />I have not given up on the west, but I am tending towards the pessimistic based upon our present cultural trajectory. We are effectively basking in the sunset of a 1,000 years of western civilisation that was animated by the Christian faith, and the enlightenment. You cannot continue enjoy the fruit of western civilisation if you have abstracted it from its roots. Unless there is significant change in our culture and soon, the remaining light is going to extinguish. Historically there has been change in the past. The preaching of Wesley in England, the 'Great Awakenings' in the USA, all brought about significant cultural and social change which transformed those societies for the better and arguably in the case of England at least, rescued them, from the kind of atrocities experienced in the French revolution. So, we are not without hope, but we face significant challenges.<br /><br />Where we differ is in our world view, and consequently our response to our present context. <br /><br />I have no problem with 'going forth and engaging with the rest of the world', obviously we must do this. However the question is how do we engage? If the present example of Iraq and Afghanistan is the model, then it's very broken. <br /><br />On the other hand, if you think that Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Iran is likely to reject Islam once we have properly explained to them the benefits of western civilisation then I suspect you will be disappointed. They know already what we have on offer and their response is 'death to America, death to the great Satan'. In Bangladesh just over 12 months ago, 500,000 Muslims marched on their capital insisting upon the death penalty for atheism. <br /><br />We cannot view the Muslim world through the lens of the western mind.<br /><br />When it comes to preserving what remains of western civilisation at home, I'm increasingly an isolationist, and in particular from the world of Islam. Immigrants from other cultures, including Asian cultures integrate easily. Islamic cultures not so much.<br /><br />To use the human body as an analogy, if we are health we can easily resist infections and overcome viruses. If we are weak, then what we could easily have resisted when healthy may kill us. Cultural and moral relativism has made us week. The liberal values of tolerance and diversity are insufficient defence against political Islam.<br /><br />This is not a 'siege' mentality, it's just common sense. You put the patient into isolation until they recover. The open question is 'will we recover'?<br /><br /><br /><br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-75205837876939740812016-01-29T10:23:21.348+13:002016-01-29T10:23:21.348+13:00FWIW, Brendan, many followers of Ayn Rand, includi...FWIW, Brendan, many followers of Ayn Rand, including her intellectual heir and the head of the Ayn Rand Institute, have called for a temporary end to open borders. I don't agree with them.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-32578690517110526082016-01-29T10:21:27.882+13:002016-01-29T10:21:27.882+13:00Brendan, I strongly suggest you check your own fac...Brendan, I strongly suggest you check your own facts. We've discussed Sweden's rape statistics here many times. What they reflect is not that Sweden is a "rape capital" (even if that did say anything about muslim immigration; what they do say is that Sweden changed the way it measured rape statistics that saw the figures radically jump, not the rapes. They claims that are made repeatedly ignore this.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-72051694205730288692016-01-29T10:12:18.405+13:002016-01-29T10:12:18.405+13:00"your question implies an objective standard ..."your question implies an objective standard as to what is an inferior / superior culture. No such objective standard exists"<br /><br />I emphatically disagree Brendan - and in precisely that belief of yours lies the problem, not immigration. This is the multi-culturalism that Peter keeps talking about; the belief that all cultures are equal. You should judge a culture like you judge a machine, by how well it works in delivering human prosperity and happiness. If we're no better than Muslim culture than we're doomed anyway, and there's nothing to defend.<br /><br />On much of what you say about the West now you are correct, but the answer to that is not to give up, and keep out the invading hordes as long as we can; but to re-establish the principles that made the West great.<br /><br />Funny you mention the Roman Empire, because I think it illustrates my point perfectly. It ultimately succumbed because it dropped the principles that made it flourish, became corrupt, and developed a siege mentality - the exact mentality I am trying to warn against. What made republican Rome so successful prior to the empire was not primarily it's armies, but it's recognition of Roman rights (in a proto form) to people in conquered lands. It became generally in the conquered's interests to co-operate with Rome, and it was only when that mutually beneficial relationship end did things start to fall apart. They were able to hold off the barbarians for a few centuries following that with their armies alone, but by that stage the die was set.<br /><br />I see the West in a similar situation now in terms of that crucial turning point, and what I am warning against. You either go forth, engage with the rest of the world and share the benefits, encouraging those with a less than an ideal belief system to benefit from Western civilisation; or you give up, develop a siege mentality, and wait for the inevitable end to come.MarkThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199883270652041621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-38033730663571033942016-01-29T08:55:42.605+13:002016-01-29T08:55:42.605+13:00Hi Mark
As to point (1) - clearly that's true...Hi Mark<br /><br />As to point (1) - clearly that's true, but it's a question of degree. From my observation in Europe, and even walking around Auckland recently, western influence is insufficient to facilitate Muslim integration into western culture at any meaningful level.<br /><br />As to point (2) Well the Romans did succumb to the barbarians, vandals and the goths, but your question implies an objective standard as to what is an inferior / superior culture. No such objective standard exists. A good many Muslims would suggest that the West's embrace of promiscuity, pornography, and drugs clearly demonstrates that western culture is inferior to that of Islam, and that they are fully justified in their attempts to destroy it. (don't you think?)<br /><br />I agree that Islam is a brittle ideology, but the problem is that we in the west are suffering from cultural exhaustion, and self doubt. We don't have any coherent cultural framework for Muslims to integrate into when they arrive in NZ, or Europe. Having embraced cultural and moral relativism we have no sound argument for rejecting their worldview and promoting our own.<br /><br />There are 1.6 Billion Muslims world wide and if you think this is their 'last stand' you are truely mistaken. <br /><br />I have often said the problem is with 'us' not with 'them'. They are consistently expressing the tenants of their faith and religious worldview. We have forgotten the meta narrative that established the liberties we now enjoy in what is left of 'western civilisation'. <br /><br />Finally, it is not always those with the superior idea that win. It is those who have the most commitment to their idea and are prepared to die for it.<br /><br />Who in the west is prepared to lay down their lives for secular materialism? We have lost our narrative of transcendence, meaning and purpose. The followers of Islam have not.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-38397910022510217232016-01-29T05:04:08.391+13:002016-01-29T05:04:08.391+13:00Ben - the only "dogma of Ayn Rand" I can...Ben - the only "dogma of Ayn Rand" I can see evident in Peter's writing is the ability to adhere to principles. If that makes one a 'dogmatist' in your eyes I'll happily accept that label too.MarkThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199883270652041621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-49089075396000831912016-01-29T04:48:07.319+13:002016-01-29T04:48:07.319+13:00That's a bit rich Brendan considering you have...That's a bit rich Brendan considering you haven't come close to acknowledging the very basic point I'm making, which is really just common sense if I make it even more simpler and break it down to 2 key points:<br /><br />1. A Muslim is likely to become more western iliving in a western culture compared to an Islamic one, and <br /><br />2. No inferior belief system has EVER beaten a better one in the long term when the two are in open competition (I challenge you to give me one example)<br /><br />One can acknowledge those points and still disagree with my conclusion (as 3:16 has done, and I will aim to address in due course) - and one can agree with my conclusion and still call for limits and tighter controls on Islamic immigration. But you and Barry have done neither. You've just clung to your pre-held views and recycled your arguments as if my post was never written. I suspect that's because of a concrete bound approach that is unable (or unwilling) to think in principles on this issue, or consider Islamic terrorism in the context of other threats to the west that have come and gone throughout history. This is evident not only in your failure to grasp my point, but also your glib dismissal of Peter's Irish example and what it means.<br /><br />On some level I think the jihadists understand my point, and their violence is essentially a reaction to the all pervading influence of the west which is compromising their religion. In a broader historical context this is their 'last stand', and I think they would love it if the West goes into isolationist mode, because that's their only chance of survival. Fundamentally they are weak, but you/Barry/Richad/etc grant them a power they don't deserve.<br /><br /> The West has more to fear from westerners who can't think in principles, and don't have confidence in the strength of their own culture than it does any jihadist.MarkThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199883270652041621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-57107620485867290232016-01-28T22:31:10.335+13:002016-01-28T22:31:10.335+13:00Thanks for your explanation Ben. I don't usua...Thanks for your explanation Ben. I don't usually visit Peter's site - your explanation is helpful. <br /><br />I came here because of a tweet from Mark Hubbard. We all operate out of a set of presuppositions, myself included. I'd like to think however that when the facts conflict with my previously held beliefs, I'd be open to changing them, or at the very least re-examining them. At least Peter appears to permit a range of views being expressed on his blog, which in itself is commendable. People are free to judge for themselves.Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-23964911910205706322016-01-28T22:26:43.390+13:002016-01-28T22:26:43.390+13:00Hi Peter, well I guess if you don't bother doi...Hi Peter, well I guess if you don't bother doing any fact checking for yourself, but simply rely upon making assertions it's difficult to engage in constructive debate with you.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics<br /><br />Scroll down to Sweden.Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-20768639848172169432016-01-28T19:50:05.186+13:002016-01-28T19:50:05.186+13:00Brendan, no doubt you are scratching your head as ...Brendan, no doubt you are scratching your head as to why your straightforward reasoning isn't getting through. What you have to understand is that Peter subscribes to the open immigration dogma of Ayn Rand.<br /><br />No evidence you bring up will change his mind. Unless you can find an old Rand quote where she enunciates the abject insanity of mass Islamic immigration.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-85619855928860362312016-01-28T18:50:42.000+13:002016-01-28T18:50:42.000+13:00If the terrorists in Paris were 'homegrown'...If the terrorists in Paris were 'homegrown' (not really since Islam got to Europe via immigration) then that debunks your optimistic assimilation thesis. They grew up immersed in superior western culture yet still decided to be martyrs for Allah.<br /><br />You can't reason with these nutters that western culture is better, since their beliefs aren't based on reason in the first place. Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-63834190663522828962016-01-28T17:29:31.534+13:002016-01-28T17:29:31.534+13:00I don't think that a few thuggish Irishmen pla...I don't think that a few thuggish Irishmen playing violent games to massage egos and political desires, and in contradiction to the theology they profess to follow, is comparable to Islam which is doing what its theology says they should by what ever means is required. Islam is playing a very long game with very large numbers and muted dissension. I lived in England for three years in supposedly dangerous times and the worst effect on me of the IRA threats was to have to leave Petticoat Lane market one afternoon before wifey spent a wack of money. No bomb went off, or was even found, as far as I recall. I found Europe peaceful as well - never felt that anyone would top me although I missed the Munich Beer Fest bombing by just one day. These were just isolated events with no real plan to dominate Europe on the part of the ruffians of the day. I'm not sure 2016 is like that.<br /><br />3:16Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com