tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post1815811599867059181..comments2024-03-22T11:55:50.335+13:00Comments on Not PC: Hiding Haden’s comments doesn’t change the truth [updated]Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-3647169183609211922010-07-13T12:22:08.729+12:002010-07-13T12:22:08.729+12:00James, I agree completely with your analysis above...James, I agree completely with your analysis above. It is the idiot feminazis from around the country and <i>holier-than-thou</i> people like Russell Brown who are persecuting Robin Brooke.<br /><br />The woman in question, wanted to shag Robin Brooke and it is fair to assume that she wouldn't care if she fell asleep when they were having sex. That woman went to heaven on that night (with Brooke the driver), FFS, she should have thanked Brooke for that, because she would have probably had to use her vibrator for masturbation (which we know that it is not a good substitute for the real thing).<br /><br />The furore over Haden’s comment was not about the role he held before he resigned. The would have been public outburst (lead by feminazis & priests as Russell Brown) anyway, whether Haden was an RWC ambassador or not. Kerre Woodham was correct when she said in her article that not all women were victims. There is no doubt that the woman in the center of this story had shagged non-sport stars in the past and perhaps she felt asleep during those encounters, but she didn’t come forward to make a complain to the Police, simply because those bartender boys had no money or had no status in the society. We’ve seen this time and time again these days. The claim that their lives had been destroyed from such past incidents is simply made up.RosieDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-48779051019068756872010-07-13T11:56:45.341+12:002010-07-13T11:56:45.341+12:00What's the difference between Divine Brown and...What's the difference between Divine Brown and the Tai Tokerau Trust?<br /><br />they both had a huge grant and blew it.)the drunken watchmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-82458780778628940732010-07-13T11:51:58.170+12:002010-07-13T11:51:58.170+12:00"Is that what you really meant to say? That w..."Is that what you really meant to say? That women should take responsibility for someone having non-consensual sex with them?"<br /><br />But this woman was perfectly happy to have consenting sex with Brooke beforehand,indeed she initiated it by stalking him to bed him.And its still very grey regarding just when she passed out in relation to when she and Brooke were at it.If say your sexual partner were to simply doze off in the middle of the act with you and you keep "pumping away is that rape?<br /><br />How do we know that they had not already begun consentually screwing (again) when she passed out? And what is Brooke supposed to do? Stop?....or carry on as consent has not been withdrawn...or has it by virtue of her no longer being conscious?<br /><br />In my view there was no rape as consent had obviously been given previously and was still in effect.<br /><br />What are the rules...anyone?Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-31720232161900856922010-07-12T22:54:17.443+12:002010-07-12T22:54:17.443+12:00in any case that women who stalk sportsmen might n...<i> in any case that women who stalk sportsmen might need to accept some responsibility for what happens.</i><br /><br />Is that what you really meant to say? That women should take responsibility for someone having non-consensual sex with them?<br /><br />No one ever deserves to be raped, no matter what you might think of their actions prior to the act of rape. Rape is non-consensual sex and thus the rapist holds full responsibility for that action. Not the victim.Matthew R. X. Dentithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12499867223966169985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-63063000293262875572010-07-12T22:23:45.049+12:002010-07-12T22:23:45.049+12:00"they only realise that they've been rape..."they only realise that they've been raped, you know, sometimes."<br />I think is the offensive remark, it makes a very sweeping generalisaition, which could be seen to be suggesting that many women who have been raped, are just making it up. <br /><br />Sure false allegations do occur. However, the police investigate all alleged rapes, and those that they do not find evidence of being false are rightly assumed to be genuine. <br /><br />Haden could be seen to be casting doubt on those women who are assumed to be genuine, despite obviously having no evidence that they are not. This is offensive.<br /><br /><br /><br />"some of these girls are targeting rugby players and they do so at their peril today, I think."<br /><br />What he means by this is unclear<br /><br />Is the preril rape/assult?<br />If so, does he mean that it is their fault(the implication that was seen as offensive/wrong)? <br />or does he mean that rugby players are dangerous (but wasnt he just defending them, so surely he doesnt mean that).<br />or is he just saying that the perils are STI, pregnancy, humiliation, injury durin intoxicaton etc.(but it was a case of alleged assult that they were discussing, so that it isn't clear that this is what he means)<br /><br />I dont know what he meant, but his lack of clarity meant that some people took it the wrong way. He did later clarify this part of his statemet, but the issure of what was condemned was what was said initially.Comrade MOThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17064433671840996528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-38322622878140663722010-07-12T19:17:37.828+12:002010-07-12T19:17:37.828+12:00Great release Richard.Great release Richard.gregsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786701115887458801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-63298599950781634472010-07-12T17:24:04.594+12:002010-07-12T17:24:04.594+12:00@Russell:
"I accepted your invitation to do ...@Russell:<br /><br />"<i>I accepted your invitation to do so. Robustly.</i>"<br /><br />Indeed you did. But that's not to say we all need to agree with it-or to avoid noticing that some of these stalkers (in the Robin Brooke case at least) seem more than a little interested in the money, and in any case that women who stalk sportsmen might need to accept some responsibility for what happens. <br /><br />"<i>>I really can't see how that's 'closing down debate.'</i>"<br /><br />That isn't. But how would you describe calling for his head?Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-48425913060701718592010-07-12T17:03:32.433+12:002010-07-12T17:03:32.433+12:00It was a comment on a TV show, Russell, not a Papa...<i>It was a comment on a TV show, Russell, not a Papal Bull.</i><br /><br />It was a comment by someone who'd accepted a role that quite clearly required him to do credit to the game. And it was the second time he'd placed himself above the role.<br /><br />I thought Haden's silliest comment was to complain about the media picking up on something __he'd said in the media__.<br /><br /><i>Whatever happened to robust debate about things? Must we all agree on everything--and close down debate on all those who don't agree with us?</i><br /><br />Uh, what? Your exact words were:<br /><br />"So, um, anyone care to tell me which part of that is incorrect? Anyone?"<br /><br />I accepted your invitation to do so. Robustly.<br /><br />I really can't see how that's "closing down debate".Russell Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06272870489640380269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-16177072513558857782010-07-12T15:32:11.165+12:002010-07-12T15:32:11.165+12:00Russel has covered most of what I wanted to say, b...Russel has covered most of what I wanted to say, but I'll also add that responsibility is indeed a two way street, and if there's a possibility that the woman you're about to fuck might turn around and accuse you of rape, you probably shouldn't go through with it. <br /><br />A guy who has casual sex with a woman may not deserve to get a rape charge, but a woman who gets too drunk to say no doesn't deserve to get raped either. It's the nature of the beast that there are probably always going to be people out there who will take advantage of a situation.<br /><br />The dominant attitudes that exist about sex and each genders responsibility with regards to it are still incredibly backwards and even misogynistic. Woman are expected to hold most of the responsibility while men who have a cavalier attitude are often congratulated for being "players".<br /><br />I only really have one rule when it comes to sex, actually it's the same rule I have for everything - always consider the consequences. It's a rule I'd like to see promoted more, for both men and woman.David S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-5649425217448743102010-07-12T12:55:06.654+12:002010-07-12T12:55:06.654+12:00It was a comment on a TV show, Russell, not a Papa...It was a comment on a TV show, Russell, not a Papal Bull.<br /><br />Whatever happened to robust debate about things? Must we all agree on everything--and close down debate on all those who don't agree with us?Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-82265798561444290452010-07-12T12:38:52.342+12:002010-07-12T12:38:52.342+12:00So, um, anyone care to tell me which part of that ...<i>So, um, anyone care to tell me which part of that is incorrect? Anyone?</i><br /><br />How about its opening premise? Hugh Grant paid for a blow job-- there was never any contention of rape at all.<br /><br />Or the contention that women who court sportsmen do so "at their peril". Is he really saying that sportsmen are uncontrollable rapists -- and that's <i>women's</i> fault? It appears so.<br /><br />The comments were made in the context of a claim that Robin Brooke had sex with an unconscious teenager. <i>If</i> that's true, <b>that is rape</b>. It's a criminal offence. I'm interested to know when you decided victims were to blame for serious criminal assaults.<br /><br />And this all followed the "darkies" rubbish -- in which Haden made claims that were not only offensive and damaging to the game and the tournament (which we're underwriting as taxpayers), but demonstrably false to anyone who can count.<br /><br />Even if you believe Haden's grandstanding bullshit, it was so far out of keeping with the role he accepted that -- were it not for the meddlings of a minister -- he'd be out on his ear. A private organisation would simply have got rid of him, given the contempt he'd demonstrated for the role.<br /><br />You argument may lack the lavish idiocy of Perigo's offering, but it's still nonsense.Russell Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06272870489640380269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-3619059263899545492010-07-12T12:02:27.478+12:002010-07-12T12:02:27.478+12:00Welcome to the age of newspeak and thought crimes....Welcome to the age of newspeak and thought crimes.<br /><br />Jeepers Murray McCully has the spine of a jellyfish - he should have backed Andy Haden up, instead he pandered to the noisy empty vessels and their predictable wails when confronted with the truth.Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-29972998711718873632010-07-12T12:00:56.863+12:002010-07-12T12:00:56.863+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.com