tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post8562347149105672439..comments2024-03-29T10:51:27.752+13:00Comments on Not PC: Eggs are people too? Really?Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-82884750073880580622008-03-03T14:43:00.000+13:002008-03-03T14:43:00.000+13:00InterestingActually empirical evidence shows us th...Interesting<BR/><BR/>Actually empirical evidence shows us that infants are only potential people. In terms of the functions of higher consciousness infants have less actual personhood than cows or pigs. <BR/><BR/>Moreover a newborn infant lives in my house, eats my, food, etc. <BR/><BR/>So, seeing the property rights of an actual person take predence over the rights of a potential person I take it all the trendy Libz in here support infanticide and infant exposure. <BR/><BR/>The other arguments in here also suggest this conclusion as well : If we can’t have people imposing their belief about when life begins on others, then we can’t have people imposing their belief that life begins before infancy on others. <BR/><BR/>And just like a fetus or embryo an infant is going to have a hard time exercising its second amendment rights ( a baby can hardly use a gun competently) and certainly won’t be able to exercise its first amended rights (seeing it can’t speak). <BR/><BR/>Who was it who said something about having to check your premises if your conclusions were problematic. Until then I look forward to the baby killing plank in the next Libertarian manifesto.MandMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02694636663826784480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-72851799696808061202008-02-28T16:51:00.000+13:002008-02-28T16:51:00.000+13:00BerendA potential is not an actual.LGMBerend<BR/><BR/>A potential is not an actual.<BR/><BR/>LGMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-27771023137800913402008-02-28T12:12:00.000+13:002008-02-28T12:12:00.000+13:00"Because my kids live in MY house, I can kill them..."<I>Because my kids live in MY house, I can kill them at will?</I>"<BR/><BR/>No. But you can scramble whatever eggs you find there -- with the owners' permission, of course.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-31579349005485233162008-02-28T12:00:00.000+13:002008-02-28T12:00:00.000+13:00Because my kids live in MY house, I can kill them ...<I>Because my kids live in MY house, I can kill them at will?</I><BR/><BR/>Do you even realise how absurd and just <I>dumb</I> that sounds?<BR/><BR/>No kid that lives in my house has ever been killed. In fact no kids that I know have ever been aborted.<BR/><BR/>Anyone trying to legislate "when life begins" is most certainly attempting to impose their philosophical belief onto others.<BR/><BR/>An egg is not a person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-19253609477445821572008-02-28T10:41:00.000+13:002008-02-28T10:41:00.000+13:00The day that a zygote (which I consider a parasite...The day that a zygote (which I consider a parasite because it relies on a host), has precedence over the rights of the host, then the host is a slave and the zygote the master.<BR/><BR/>Reason is sacrificed to the whims of the moralists who speak for the zygote which has no voice or brain and possess zero ethics or values and is nothing but a mere leech.<BR/><BR/>(sounds like something from Atlas Shrugged)Rebel Radiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651727549510158967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-9903532483890147642008-02-28T09:27:00.000+13:002008-02-28T09:27:00.000+13:00How nice Andrew. Because my kids live in MY house,...How nice Andrew. Because my kids live in MY house, I can kill them at will?Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-25872539400166173472008-02-28T07:28:00.000+13:002008-02-28T07:28:00.000+13:00In other news some Canadian doctors are refusing t...In other news some Canadian doctors are refusing to give unmarried women cervical smears. Conservative New Brunswick has a shortage of doctors so women have difficulty changing their physician.<BR/><BR/>Religious morality police would rather see women die. Faith-motivated stupidity is borne of a fundamental fear and hatred of female sexuality.<BR/><BR/>But tell us again how terrible Islam is...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-64850712928331902008-02-28T03:46:00.000+13:002008-02-28T03:46:00.000+13:00Oh fuck - I meant womb, not whom. D'oh!Oh fuck - I meant womb, not whom. D'oh!Andrew Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16938498951651948409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-32956426328724887712008-02-28T03:45:00.000+13:002008-02-28T03:45:00.000+13:00There is something you haven't grasped about a bab...There is something you haven't grasped about a baby in a whom Berend, something upon which the argument hangs. <BR/><BR/>Whose womb?<BR/><BR/>We always say we're not right-wingers because we don't wish to nationalise persons. You want to nationalise the mother and make her carry on as an incubator. <BR/><BR/>And for what would you pursue this nationalisation? All for the sake of something that has not meaningfully begun the process of conceptualisation (which we maintain is the basis of Man's Rights).Andrew Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16938498951651948409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-60612759004712415402008-02-27T21:19:00.000+13:002008-02-27T21:19:00.000+13:00Or look here. This baby was, just a few seconds ag...Or <A HREF="http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2970782/2/istockphoto_2970782_baby_just_born_and_crying.jpg" REL="nofollow">look here</A>. This baby was, just a few seconds ago, not worthy of the right to life, liberty, equality of justice and due process of law. But could be killed at whim.<BR/><BR/>Because killing babies while in the womb is progress you know.Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-44790403329241484392008-02-27T18:34:00.000+13:002008-02-27T18:34:00.000+13:00All about power isn't it?That's you 40 years ago, ...All about power isn't it?<BR/><BR/>That's you 40 years ago, however with 40 years of development under your belt you can safely define such an entity as a "non-person". <BR/><BR/>Peter Singer has been called a nutter here recently and I agree. <BR/>However, does he not define a "person" as an entity that can fend for itself.<BR/>Does he not support infanticide? <BR/><BR/>If the pictured zygote can not defend or support itself as neither can a new-born is it possible you find yourself in the same company as Singer?<BR/>======================<BR/><BR/>It's easy to argue non-person status at the microscopic level but could you please identify the point where "personhood" is awarded to a multicellular organism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-75429077805075080672008-02-27T18:33:00.000+13:002008-02-27T18:33:00.000+13:00That egg will have trouble finding an appropriatly...That egg will have trouble finding an appropriatly sized gun to exercise its 2nd amendment rights. I also doubt it will make much use of the 1st amendment rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-45772987003234129342008-02-27T12:14:00.000+13:002008-02-27T12:14:00.000+13:00There has been some humorous comment about this ar...There has been some humorous comment about this around the traps - even though it's not funny.<BR/><BR/><I>The medieval view was that the sperm contained tiny homunculi and that all the woman offered was a place for them to grow bigger. In a way I wish we still thought that way, because then it would be the testicles which would have to be inspected for possibly dead Americans</I><BR/><BR/>Also the issue of non-citizen eggs and embryos. Given the wingnut anti-immigrant stance, once born the baby would be immediately stripped of its 'rights' and deported. Gotta love the Right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com