tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post8287742727795579627..comments2024-03-22T11:55:50.335+13:00Comments on Not PC: ‘A Modest Proposal’ on America’s ‘Budget Crisis’Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1174396542205470202013-10-08T11:03:26.504+13:002013-10-08T11:03:26.504+13:00@Ian it should be fairly apparent from conversatio...@Ian it should be fairly apparent from conversations and certain people posting here that very few people even understand what a libertarian philosophy is, let alone would know it's in their best interests to vote for a party they've never heard of claiming to represent that philosophy. I know that resigned feeling Mr. Lineberry is talking about. I feel it all the time, but I tick that box anyway. What else is there to do?<br /><br />@AntonNZ No, latest information suggests that NZ ranks far better than the USA in economic freedom. My own area of interest is the brewing industry. I feel the vice grip of our regulation here, and it's NOTHING compared to the mountains of regs the US brewers have to deal with. You make a really interesting point about independent state legislation/taxation providing an opportunity to vote by migrating. I guess the issue is, like Mr. Lineberry's resigned rape victim, it becomes a question of "you're going to be violated, you may choose the rapist, and the type of degrading act performed upon you."<br /><br />Apologies to anyone offended by the analogy. It's not mine, and I don't much like it, but it does seem apt, so I'm extending it.Greig McGillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07177898101169161237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-25423053207403636582013-10-03T19:46:32.932+13:002013-10-03T19:46:32.932+13:00God you're a dick, Lineberry. That you can ta...God you're a dick, Lineberry. That you can take to the bank.Judge Holdennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-15197190235525075772013-10-03T17:29:36.414+13:002013-10-03T17:29:36.414+13:00Ian, I do not wake up in the morning and think &qu...Ian, I do not wake up in the morning and think "<i>how can I do and say the wrong thing today?</i>" - the very notion is preposterous and silly, and I challenge you to name a single day in the last 24 years when I have done so.<br /><br />Please feel free to name the specific date and time when I did so.<br /><br />It therefore must mean that everything I do and everything I say is, logically, correct as an absolute.<br /><br />It further follows that, if everything I say and do is correct, those with a contrary opinion to anything I say or do are wrong.<br /><br />It should also not surprise anybody to learn - vis-à-vis votes for the Libertarianz - that all but 1600 New Zealanders are morons; our 'family' (according to Tony Abbott) in Australia has been saying so for more than a century HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!Mr Lineberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-88286073727310884052013-10-03T16:17:53.666+13:002013-10-03T16:17:53.666+13:00Your theory doesn't stack up Mr Lineberry. Rej...Your theory doesn't stack up Mr Lineberry. Rejecting our current our current taxation policy is as easy as ticking the 'Liberterianz' box on the election form, and NZers overwhelmingly choose not to.Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-91860147454290716652013-10-02T17:35:55.606+13:002013-10-02T17:35:55.606+13:00Well Mr Lineberry, I completely agree that that i...Well Mr Lineberry, I completely agree that that is how I have felt here in New Zealand myself. I thought America was in a better position than N.Z. like 1000 times better?tmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11559267207490763483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-83056510818433691302013-10-02T14:38:08.833+13:002013-10-02T14:38:08.833+13:00Yes, I believe so.
I think most Americans would r...Yes, I believe so.<br /><br />I think most Americans would rather spend their tax dollars on themselves rather than handing it over - buying a new car, or new furniture, or a nice holiday, or paying down their mortgage.<br /><br />Everything you mention - military spending, border control - and 1001 things you didn't mention are all part of the game, all part of the con trick "<i>see how lucky you are? the Government keeps you safe from rampaging Canadians crossing the border...</i>"<br /><br />The same con-trick is used for all manner of things from regulating shower heads, to the water in your lavatory, to air traffic controllers... ("<i>pay us for your own protection</i>")..and the Kool-Aid is sweetened with those welfare and social security cheques - "<i>see? we have proved it! without the government there would be no free ride? no cheque in the mail - are you really going to get rid of us?</i>"<br /><br />I bet that monster Mr Castro used to tell the girls in his basement how lucky they were too; no doubt he topped himself in a state of incomprehension ("but they <i>consented</i>?!?!").<br /><br />Anton - do not mistake a victim's numbness, resignation and depression for consent or agreementMr Lineberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-81779540851104833242013-10-02T13:13:08.234+13:002013-10-02T13:13:08.234+13:00Mr Lineberry, Its that the Opinion of most America...Mr Lineberry, Its that the Opinion of most Americans "Really"?tmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11559267207490763483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-6335625319462544882013-10-02T12:25:23.356+13:002013-10-02T12:25:23.356+13:00You are quite wrong AntonNZ - people do not "...You are quite wrong AntonNZ - people do not "basically consent and agree to paying taxes".<br /><br />What has happened through the generations is a kind of numbness, a kind of hopelessness - rather like a rape victim having to accept the inevitable (however horrific and unwillingly) as 'penetration' occurs.<br /><br />That is hardly consent, it is simply a view that nothing can be done about it so everyone shrugs their shoulders and gets fleeced.Mr Lineberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-39002917576361740032013-10-02T12:14:12.353+13:002013-10-02T12:14:12.353+13:00For me Peter, it seems Murray Rothbard may be want...For me Peter, it seems Murray Rothbard may be wanting to throw a fair bit of smarts and well established good systems of keeping communities working for the reason he believes their pay has come through "stolen" taxes.<br /><br />I would like to add two points to this; Are Taxes Stolen or taken unmorally from its population and 2.) Do people have a semi choice of what services they pay for now in the United States. <br /><br />Point 2.) Murray Rothbard talks here about what would Americans truly want to donate and support given a choice and pay taxes "voluntarily and "anonymously". My thoughts are that to some degree Americas do basically consent and agree to paying taxes and do see their worth from the Government in the way of services. <br /><br />I say this because after many decades of a basic democracy they do vote often for centralist Government and social polices and support their local service people and hold them in high regards. They often put praise on their Government <br />workers, and their military personal are rewarded with Heroism and the US people believe they are valuable to their wellbeing. I suggest they also see merit in there state parks and museums and basic social services. The citizens voices to remove taxes also however can be heard through he standard democratic process. Extremists can find ways of reducing their own tax system if the really want - and use systems such as putting their business in other countries to avoid tax. <br /><br />I think the debate is fairly transparent and overall their people seem happy with a Government who does tax and provide a service for that. Even many Liberty lovers in USA seem to agree to Enforcing Boarder control with "taxes" and paying for Miltary through "taxes".<br /><br />Also their state system does allow some competition between different state Government Polices and ideas. Trans State mobility. <br /><br />Point 1.)<br />Coming back to the First Point "Are taxes taken immorally from its Population."<br /><br />I don't think I really have an answer to that except could an argument be made that the Government Prints the Currency and has the international responsibilities for monetary policy so could the use of the USA currency to do business hold with it an inherent contract to pay part of all money earned back to the distributor i.e the Government. Sort of like the currency is not owned but licensed.<br /><br />Then if people felt strongly they could trade with a bargain system -which happens now. <br /><br />?<br /><br />tmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11559267207490763483noreply@blogger.com