tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post7690275396977561400..comments2024-03-30T00:09:27.602+13:00Comments on Not PC: It's Islam Awareness Week, so let's be aware of Islam's barbarity.Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-79191394550553146962007-08-14T18:15:00.000+12:002007-08-14T18:15:00.000+12:00Ah, perhaps the point about "moderate" followers o...Ah, perhaps the point about "moderate" followers of the Moslem religion needs to be thought on a little. <BR/><BR/>Ever hear the term, "useful idiots"? Ten points to the person who correctly identifies the name of the historical figure who famously used this term. If you know who he was you should be able to recall who he was discussing and thus, to get the point. <BR/><BR/>Here, for the undereducated, is a slightly easier one. <BR/><BR/>Some years ago there were a whole heap of evil doing people. Some promoted the outfit that had evil doing as its core rules, some commited the actual evil acts, many merely joined and quietly supported the organisation that promoted and committed the evil, most just looked the other way - agreeing with the rules in principle but pretending not to notice what resulted when the rules were put into practice. There were believers who simply followed orders or who never spoke out, lest they offend someone or become unpopular themsleves. After all, one must be tolerant and go along with it all.<BR/><BR/>Who were these people? Well, some are well recorded in history. they are well remembered (or should be). Who remembers the old National Socialists? Remember them? Remember the popular Nazi Party? <BR/><BR/>"We were all moderates then."<BR/><BR/>Yes, fellow travelers and appeasers as well.<BR/><BR/>You jokers should read your history, then get your Korans out and read them. It's clear enough what they say. <BR/><BR/>Remember evil ideas lead to evil actions. An organisation that is based on evil ideas should be challenged. So should the members who silently lend it succour and support. <BR/><BR/>BTW religion has no "right to exist." What a foolish thing to write. The work of an inarticulate moron. <BR/><BR/>Religion is a set of ideas. It is not a human. It does not live or act as humans do. It has not got rights as it is not an individual person. What religion actually is, is a product of the human mind (a badly operated mind but a human mind nevertheless). Those ideas have no rights. <BR/><BR/>Abdul the Butcher <BR/><BR/><BR/>PS hey you moderates, send me your daughters....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-89927201025450622342007-08-14T17:16:00.000+12:002007-08-14T17:16:00.000+12:00matt b: Atheists occasionally do awful things beca...matt b: <I>Atheists occasionally do awful things because of their atheism.</I><BR/><BR/>So what's the point matt? You should be the last person to talk reason, as you haven't yet demonstrated what logical arguments are.<BR/><BR/>I can kill you and say I do so in the name of God. Does that mean I did so because of Christianity? Or am I just insane?<BR/><BR/>Where in the Bible does it say I, read that carefully matt, I/me/you, may kill people in the name of God?Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-49307615879170506552007-08-14T15:27:00.001+12:002007-08-14T15:27:00.001+12:00"The problem I have is that 'the Left' and Islam i..."The problem I have is that 'the Left' and Islam in general is never seen (by the hard Right) to be doing enough to denounce terrorism. This then translates to some sort of assumed complicity."<BR/><BR/>Now Den, you wouldn't be joining the Helen Klark "Libertarianz are an extreme right party" Klub, would you? Because that would disappoint me. Despite your being a Greenie, I had higher hopes! :)<BR/><BR/>However, you've caught me in a good mood so I'm prepared to be the bigger man & overlook that wee transgression.<BR/><BR/>But, notwithstanding the above, you're right about one thing. Neither the Left nor Islam denounce Islamist terrorism nearly enough for my liking.<BR/><BR/>Way too selective for this white girl!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-67334783359468880272007-08-14T15:27:00.000+12:002007-08-14T15:27:00.000+12:00DEN, you said, "The other problem is of course tha...DEN, you said, <I>"The other problem is of course that the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists (and are rightly horrified by terrorism), haven't ever participated in an honour killing or genital mutilation, and live quite happily in a well-integrated modern world."</I><BR/><BR/>Den, your first series of assertions will have to stand as unbacked assertions--what we might politely call wishful thinking. <BR/><BR/>Your second assertion, ie., that "the vast majority of Muslims ... live quite happily in a well-integrated modern world" can be dismissed quite simply just by observing the caliphates in which the vast majority of Muslims actually live.<BR/><BR/>It is no accident that of all the Islamic nations, only one (Turkey) is a democracy, and of the others the vast majority are either dictatorships or primitive theocracies. <BR/><BR/>Those Muslims who do get the hell out and move to the West are the ones living "in a well-integrated modern world," not those who remain behind in the theocracies.<BR/><BR/>Why do you imagine Ali Reza Panah doesn't want to return to Iran? Or Ahmed Zaoui to Algeria? Or Ayaan Hirsi Ali to Somalia? These people aren't stupid.<BR/><BR/>Nor are those Muslim Turks who marched recently in support of maintaining the separation of church and state in Turkey. They knew what they were about, I'd say; they knew the dangers of theocracy better than you seem to.<BR/><BR/>The fact remains that secular Muslims are vastly in the minority worldwide, and appeasement of their masters or of the primitive superstition by which their masters enslave them helps no one, least of all those who do value peace.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-10041878458150740662007-08-14T14:54:00.000+12:002007-08-14T14:54:00.000+12:00Sus: The problem I have is that 'the Left' and Isl...Sus: The problem I have is that 'the Left' and Islam in general is never seen (by the hard Right) to be doing enough to denounce terrorism. This then translates to some sort of assumed complicity.<BR/><BR/>The other problem is of course that the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists (and are rightly horrified by terrorism), haven't ever participated in an honour killing or genital mutilation, and live quite happily in a well-integrated modern world. <BR/><BR/>Various characters from the extremes of the political spectrum would have us believe that these so-called 'moderates' are simply biding their time, waiting for the moment when they have sufficiently infiltrated Western countries at which point they will drastically increase their breeding rates (possible with the help of vat-grown children?) and take over, enforcing Sharia law on the masses.<BR/><BR/>IT'S. NOT. REALITY. Perigo's piece perpetuates this alternative reality fantasy, and I find that abhorrent. I am categorically NOT an 'appeaser', as I am totally opposed to all forms of terrorism and vocal about it. I am simply not a person who is willing to tar one-sixth of the world's population with the same brush, due to the actions of a radical, militant, crazed few.<BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-31421382544146324992007-08-14T14:39:00.000+12:002007-08-14T14:39:00.000+12:00"Christians occasionally do awful things because o..."Christians occasionally do awful things because of their christianity. True, the worst stuff was centuries ago, but I don't think time alone is enough to give a christian the moral authority to judge his muslim neighbour. You both have done and continue to do horrible things in the name of your respective gods."<BR/><BR/>I disagree, Matt. I'll (Christian or non) judge anybody that would commit the acts of barbarism as per Abdul's post.<BR/><BR/>Sure, the odd barking mad Christian might, eg, whinge on about homosexuality being abhorrent etc, but more fool them, I say. Besides, they're entitled to their opinion no matter what I think.<BR/><BR/>The CURRENT actions by non-Muslims simply don't compare with Islamist violence. When did a Methodist last burn a mosque or behead a faithful Muslim?<BR/><BR/>I can't speak for Berend or KG, but that's simply *my* point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-6649542380890108782007-08-14T14:37:00.000+12:002007-08-14T14:37:00.000+12:00Hi Matt: I haven't 'smugly' told anyone how right ...Hi Matt: I haven't 'smugly' told anyone how right I am - PC rightly characterised my response as 'bombast and invective' as any thinking human will see that Perigo's original piece was. <BR/><BR/>Had Perigo been bothered to reason his way through the article, and make a measured argument, I would have spent more time being reasonable. As it is, he raves about teatowels, his fear of beheading at the hands of his correspondents, and his urges to flatulate when politely invited to discuss his ideas.<BR/><BR/>Why you think he deserves anything more than schoolyard mockery and derision in response is beyond me - I make no claim for my response to be anything but.<BR/><BR/>Bottom line, Perigo wanted a response, and he got it. End of story.<BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-78751263565412203882007-08-14T14:24:00.000+12:002007-08-14T14:24:00.000+12:00DenMT, I've just been reading some of your comment...DenMT, I've just been reading some of your comments on the link PC posted. I'm not impressed. You talk about playing the man not the ball, basically admitting the ad hominem fallacy. Your comments are simply lazy. I didn't see a single substantive attack on anything Perigo said. Just a wave of the hand, a pompous statement to the effect that the errors in his piece are self evident.<BR/><BR/>Instead of smugly telling everyone how right you are and how wrong Perigo is, how about actually demonstrating it?Matt Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256353079960538374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-53071041710423698942007-08-14T14:00:00.000+12:002007-08-14T14:00:00.000+12:00Actually why am I even defending atheism? The orig...Actually why am I even defending atheism? The original point was Berend beating on Islam when his religion hardly has a good record. Christians occasionally do awful things because of their christianity. True, the worst stuff was centuries ago, but I don't think time alone is enough to give a christian the moral authority to judge his muslim neighbour. You both have done and continue to do horrible things in the name of your respective gods.Matt Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256353079960538374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-59501563403708028732007-08-14T13:55:00.000+12:002007-08-14T13:55:00.000+12:00Well, I've met several Moslem women who, when thei...Well, I've met several Moslem women who, when their husbands and/or family members were not present, confirmed the terrors to which they are required to submit by the religion. I'll leave you with but one. Just this one.<BR/><BR/>"Cut," says Mohammed (may peace be with him and his family), "but not destroy." He was referring to female genital mutilation. It's in the Koran. It is right there in black and white, inspired by Allah, no doubt about it. <BR/><BR/>So, it is OK. Go right ahead and do it. Slice up your wife, sister or daughter. It is allowed. Just don't cut her up sooooo bad that she dies. Just don't cut too enthusiastically, but, yes, basically it's good to cut. <BR/><BR/>Now think about what that act means for the victim. Imagine for a moment. Lie down on the ground, spread your legs apart and imagine that sanctified shard of broken glass scraping away at your most personal being. Or perhaps you're lucky and it'd be a rusty old steak knife working away at you instead. Scrape, cut, twist and slice. Just imagine. <BR/><BR/>Now think about how sick the religion that would actually contenance that. It's in the book. It's AOK. God's man said so.<BR/><BR/>Perigo is spot on. He says the ideas of the religion are evil. One can't argue with him there. The evidence is overwhelming. <BR/><BR/>BTW there are plenty of other things that I could relate about the sick nature of evil religion. The example above should suffice for now. Go think on it some. <BR/><BR/>Stop being apologists. <BR/><BR/>Abdul the ButcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-87174082233375923642007-08-14T13:49:00.000+12:002007-08-14T13:49:00.000+12:00Berend, I presume you are referring to Marxism. Wh...Berend, I presume you are referring to Marxism. While that stamped out other religions, it was itself a religion; its deity was a man. It was founded on a flawed model and persisted for a long time in spite of the strongest evidence of its failure. It existed in spite of reason. That is not atheism.Matt Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256353079960538374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-13135830255875424402007-08-14T13:41:00.000+12:002007-08-14T13:41:00.000+12:00Yeah, fair point Berend.Matt, you must acknowledge...Yeah, fair point Berend.<BR/><BR/>Matt, you must acknowledge that current Muslim violence is *always* committed in the name of Allah. "God is great!", etc. Whether he is or isn't is a matter of opinion, but it's bemusing as to how Allah the Merciful doesn't seem to mind a busload of dead Jewish schoolkids.<BR/><BR/>KG's correct. Buddhists, Hindus, Jews & Christians of all persuasion - together with atheists - all seem to chug along quite happily in spite of any theological/philosophical difference, except our Islamist friends.<BR/><BR/>It's been a bloody long time since the crusades, thank heavens. Some of us, it would appear, are over it. And thank Christ for that. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-74168241404917182842007-08-14T13:00:00.000+12:002007-08-14T13:00:00.000+12:00matt b, how many did your atheist friends kill?And...matt b, how many did your atheist friends kill?<BR/><BR/>And since christian isn't a trademarked name, anyone can call himself a christian and kill people. That doesn't mean a thing.Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-43651766053640007272007-08-14T12:00:00.000+12:002007-08-14T12:00:00.000+12:00Thanks for your response, Den, but I still have a ...Thanks for your response, Den, but I still have a problem with some of your comments.<BR/><BR/>You speak of 'the vast majority of peaceful Muslims' being able 'to live as they wish within the law of the land'. In an Islamist state, 'peaceful' Muslims are forced to toe a hard line, like it or not. And in the west, Muslim women are still urged - and often forced - to submit to Muslim practices/beliefs. As *they* wish, might not be the wish of the individual.<BR/><BR/>Whilst I agree with your sentiments regarding acts of terrorism, I stand by my claims of general leftist silence. Where are the John Mintos, the Syd Jacksons & the Sue Bradfords who were foaming at the mouth & vitriolic over, say, human rights' abuses in apartheid-era SA? Where are the orchestrated demonstrations down Queen St & Lambton Quay, backed by leftist activists and trade unions? Where are the university students who are usually so quick to express support for the Oppressed & Suppressed? Where are the feminazis, those bastions of virtue who live to address the legions of supposed wrongs committed against my sex?<BR/><BR/>Come on, Den. Relatively speaking, when it comes to matters Islam they're as quiet as lambs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-84700945625626434792007-08-14T11:29:00.000+12:002007-08-14T11:29:00.000+12:00Sus - I don't for a second wish to try and defend ...Sus - I don't for a second wish to try and defend any of the terrible violence that radical Islam has inflicted on the West. I just think that the vast majority of peaceful Muslims should be allowed to live as they wish within the law of the land, according to the freedom of religion so cherished by libertarians.<BR/><BR/>Perigo's rant is a thinly veiled attack on Islam's right to exist. My feeling is that the actions of a radical minority should not (and beyond a hyper-policitised few here in NZ) do not prejudice the view of Muslims in our country. He comes across like one of those rich Amish farmers who hire drivers so they can get about it - it just doesn't ring true to champion individual freedom, and then to call for the destruction of an entire religion out the other side of your mouth.<BR/><BR/>Again, you'd have to be an idiot or entirely heartless not to condemn the terrible acts of terrorism that have been committed by radical Islam, but to try and convince anyone that the Islamic mainstream and 'the Left' are somehow complicit or defending this is plain weird. Read the links I put up in the second post. <BR/><BR/>Perigo is waging his own personal jihad against all of Islam, and doing it in the most unsavoury way. I find it repugnant, and I'm stoked that I live in a country as tolerant and compassionate as New Zealand, where his extremism is met with pity, rather than solidarity.<BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-53738487845806940422007-08-14T11:06:00.000+12:002007-08-14T11:06:00.000+12:00Christ, three 'truly's in my post. Need a new adje...Christ, three 'truly's in my post. Need a new adjective.Matt Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256353079960538374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-61263495618872135782007-08-14T11:00:00.000+12:002007-08-14T11:00:00.000+12:00KGI can tell you about the Catholics raping boys, ...KG<BR/><BR/>I can tell you about the Catholics raping boys, the continued persecution of homosexuals, the bombings of abortion clinics, the higher crime rates where christianity thrives, at least in the US, the religious intolerance and the misplaced distrust in science that christian fundamentalists encourage. Or I can tell you about the inspiration today's Muslims draw from the truly ridiculous crusades. I can also tell you about the dangers of any group that truly believes it has god on its side, and that the ends justify the means. I can also tell you that the truly unbelievable amount of violence inflicted on the world by this mob makes me deeply nervous about it happening again.Matt Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256353079960538374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-85083409814590420152007-08-14T10:54:00.000+12:002007-08-14T10:54:00.000+12:00So what are you saying, Den? Did you read the wor...So what are you saying, Den? Did you read the wording on the placards in the accompanying photo? <BR/><BR/>What I find telling, is the silence - the deafening silence - from the western left with regard to the human rights' atrocities perpetrated by Islam and its followers.<BR/><BR/>Lucky for you that you're not female, Den. Too bad if you're gay. Too bad if you're atheist. Too bad if you subscribe to a faith other than Islam.<BR/> <BR/>I guess the bloodthirsty, decidedly illiberal Islamist rhetoric is something of an inconvenient truth, eh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-23174287856772488542007-08-14T08:25:00.000+12:002007-08-14T08:25:00.000+12:00"There's plenty of blood on the hands of christian..."There's plenty of blood on the hands of christianity. Plenty."<BR/>I get tired of hearing this lame line.<BR/>So tell us about the Lutherans who rammed airliners into tall buildings. Tell us about the Catholics busy burning schoolgirls to death and the Christian fundamentalists sawing off innocent people's heads.<BR/>Whatever blood the is on Christianity's hands (and I'm <I>not</I> a Christian) is in the past.<BR/>Islam is awash with blood NOW.<BR/>Get it?KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-63302256132463869992007-08-14T00:52:00.000+12:002007-08-14T00:52:00.000+12:00perhaps people could debate Why Islam Sucks at Sci...perhaps people could debate <A HREF="http://pommygranate.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-does-islam-suck-at-science.html" REL="nofollow">Why Islam Sucks at Science</A>pommygranatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06913108500217273049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-71046348755682838432007-08-13T23:47:00.000+12:002007-08-13T23:47:00.000+12:00Berend de Boer, don't get cocky. There's plenty of...Berend de Boer, don't get cocky. There's plenty of blood on the hands of christianity. Plenty.Matt Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256353079960538374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-19360840114980653022007-08-13T23:41:00.000+12:002007-08-13T23:41:00.000+12:00...enjoy all the deliciously vituperative reaction...<I>...enjoy all the deliciously vituperative reactions to a spade being called a spade.</I><BR/><BR/>Great line PC. Good post, too.Matt Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256353079960538374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-35853985602363208162007-08-13T18:42:00.000+12:002007-08-13T18:42:00.000+12:00"this stinking, stupid, life-hating superstition"E..."this stinking, stupid, life-hating superstition"<BR/>Exactly.<BR/>And what Rebel Radius said. Right on.<BR/>Screw islam and all of it's adherents.Every last one of the bastards. A primitive 7th century ideology that promotes and condones and <I>celebrates</I> just about every foul act known to mankind.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-16965858038425309772007-08-13T17:47:00.000+12:002007-08-13T17:47:00.000+12:00Some more Islam "awareness building"...http://isla...Some more Islam "awareness building"...<BR/><BR/>http://islamwatchers.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-44789042809863789432007-08-13T17:30:00.000+12:002007-08-13T17:30:00.000+12:00And since it is Islam awareness week, I would high...And since it is Islam awareness week, I would highly recommend viewing this.<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKCUYE4Zq54Rebel Radiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651727549510158967noreply@blogger.com