tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post7536106915302493682..comments2024-03-29T10:51:27.752+13:00Comments on Not PC: Rubbish? Art? But I repeat myself! [update 2]Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-48354239672555686652009-09-09T16:48:40.790+12:002009-09-09T16:48:40.790+12:00I guess you hit the nail on the head when you say ...I guess you hit the nail on the head when you say Mitchell has "re-evaluated" it. In my opinion, you need to do more to something than "re-evaluate" it to turn it into art. It was discarded by the other artist, therefore it was rubbish. Mitchell has added nothing to it since then, so it's still rubbish, despite what went on in his mind regarding it. <br /><br />He produced a lesser "work" than Duchamp in at least these ways:<br />- Duchamp at least was personally involved in preparing his toilet<br />- Duchamp added to it (albeit minimally) with his R Mutt tag<br />- Duchamp chose something that to some minds may possibly have its own aesthetic appeal. Some might consider the shape of the urinal to be attractive, perhaps when placed a certain way and viewed from certain angles. <br /><br />The fact that Mitchell wasn't even there and wasn't involved in arranging the "piece" into its final state, added nothing to it in the way of arrangement, paint, words, styling, etc, and started with something with no aesthetic value to anyone other than pretentious art freaks trying to show off to their mates makes this item much less artistic than Duchamp's bog, incredible as that is to believe.twrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-26951161231972483512009-09-09T16:10:45.948+12:002009-09-09T16:10:45.948+12:00A plastic bag is not rubbish, it's a designed ...A plastic bag is not rubbish, it's a designed object. It becomes rubbish when you no longer value it. Dane Mitchell has recycled it and re-evaluated it. <br />Art is Rubbish (sense of humour).<br />Rubbish is Art (provocative).<br />Maybe we can all re-evaluate.R. Muttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-74795486916378617642009-09-09T15:05:11.261+12:002009-09-09T15:05:11.261+12:00The Venus de Milo was collateral damage in an anci...The Venus de Milo was collateral damage in an ancient war, but was never "rubbish". Even when broken in pieces the work exudes beauty, grace, proportion, and emotional content - qualities fundamentally missing from rubbish, and certainly missing from the pile of discarded parcel wrappings that started this discussion!<br /><br />The Wiki on Venus underscores the point: The twisting stance and strong projection of the knee, as well as the rich, three-dimensional quality of the drapery, are typical of Hellenistic art of the third century BC and later. Moreover, the sensuous juxtaposition of flesh with the texture of drapery, which seems about to slip off the figure, adds an insistent note of erotic tension that is thoroughly Hellenistic in concept and intent.athasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-70867967667075879392009-09-09T15:01:34.774+12:002009-09-09T15:01:34.774+12:00Venus
- wasn't intended as rubbish from the s...Venus <br />- wasn't intended as rubbish from the start<br />- was actually created by the "artist" rather than by following written instructions<br />- required effort to create<br />- couldn't be done by just anyone<br />- was meant to represent something in the real world <br />- was intended to be aesthetically pleasing<br />- presumably wasn't created by a lazy pretentious git who only did it to show how much advantage he could take of gullible morons. <br /><br />The pile o' crap in Hamilton was none of these.<br /><br />BTW, FF: I'm not sure it was public money.twrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-91652960454889806982009-09-09T14:31:23.241+12:002009-09-09T14:31:23.241+12:00The Venus de Milo was a piece of rubbish, smashed ...The Venus de Milo was a piece of rubbish, smashed and buried until it's discovery and re-cognised value.R. Muttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-21489942073506768792009-09-09T13:52:53.559+12:002009-09-09T13:52:53.559+12:00I saw this nonsense on 'Close Up' last nig...I saw this nonsense on 'Close Up' last night (much prefer Paul Henry to Sainsbury)..and was appalled!<br /><br />This monstrous fraudster, Dane Mitchell, has relieved some incredibly gullible people of $15,000 in a way that chap from Blue Chip would be proud of.<br /><br />Delighted, Peter, you quoted Tom Wolfe, he has a finely tuned 'Bulls**t antenna'! ha ha!Elijah Lineberryhttp://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-69069037257635113162009-09-09T12:09:59.659+12:002009-09-09T12:09:59.659+12:00This is the sort of issues that Sue Bradford shoul...This is the sort of issues that Sue Bradford should concentrate on opposing, in wasting taxpayer dollar in funding artwork and competition based on rubbish like this. This $15,000 waste of taxpayer dollar hurts the citizens of the country more than telling parents how to raise their kids.Falafulu Fisinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-65438944828995112692009-09-09T12:04:55.714+12:002009-09-09T12:04:55.714+12:00Nice. He clearly can think.Nice. He clearly can think.twrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-85392655021459568742009-09-09T11:56:50.330+12:002009-09-09T11:56:50.330+12:00I think michael newberry's work is "not v...I think michael newberry's work is "not very good porn". At least Duchamp stretched my ideas. (and questioned the notion of authorship)R. Muttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-26875583465209074232009-09-09T11:54:06.057+12:002009-09-09T11:54:06.057+12:00Of what import is an "I think" when the ...Of what import is an "I think" when the "I" is unnamed, and clearly can't.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-9317236609284236292009-09-09T11:47:50.362+12:002009-09-09T11:47:50.362+12:00I think michael newberry's work is "not v...I think michael newberry's work is "not very good porn". At least Duchamp stretched my ideas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-61742880860166111682009-09-09T11:28:34.488+12:002009-09-09T11:28:34.488+12:00A Great piece, Peter.
I would emphasise, further...A Great piece, Peter. <br /><br />I would emphasise, further, that the 'value' of a piece of art (and music etc) surely depends to a large degree on the amount of tecnique and skill that goes into its creation.<br /><br />If any old fuckwit could replicate it without any appreciable practice or technique (like silent or dischordant random sounds as "music" and random colour slashes across a canvas etc) then this in my view discounts it as serious or valuable art; it is nothing more than an insult to the intelligence of the viewer.Dave Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264331694328629975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-45434104612826021052009-09-09T10:24:11.195+12:002009-09-09T10:24:11.195+12:00Good piece, you can replace the word 'art'...Good piece, you can replace the word 'art' throughout for 'politics' and it remains similarly valid.Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03208575304505689135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-6547347668409596072009-09-09T09:54:13.215+12:002009-09-09T09:54:13.215+12:00Jonathan Yegge is a personal favourite:
http://ww...Jonathan Yegge is a personal favourite:<br /><br />http://www.mahalo.com/jonathan-yegge<br /><br />Jonathan Yegge was a student at the San Francisco Art Institute. In 2000, he presented a performance art piece that caused a lot of controversy. Yegge asked for a volunteer from his art class and had him sign a contract stating that he was agreeing to participate in a performance piece containing acts "including and up to a sexual or violent nature.Yegge then led the volunteer out into a public area on campus, where he was tied up, blindfolded and gagged. The two men then took turns giving one another oral sex. The volunteer then received an enema, after which both men took turns defecating on one another.<br /><br />It's amazing what two consenting adults can do with each other's bodies isn't it ?<br /><br />Ha Ha HaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com