tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post741351727979241793..comments2024-03-29T10:51:27.752+13:00Comments on Not PC: DOWN TO THE DOCTOR’S: Rodney, Rick and Moral CesspitsPeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-63141501956571084292009-11-06T01:00:17.187+13:002009-11-06T01:00:17.187+13:00"I don't believe it is possible to have a..."I don't believe it is possible to have an "objective common law". I have great difficulty with the idea of "legitimate rights" vs "illegitimate rights".<br /><br />Why? Its the difference between contradictory nonsense and non contradictory fact.<br /><br />Read this...explains it nicely<br /><br />http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_man_rights<br /><br />"In a Libertarian Utopia, there will be no State servants."<br /><br />And we will have anarchic chaos.Can you imagine a rugby match without a referee to administer the rules objectively?<br /><br />Expand that to a whole society interacting and you see the problem with Sinners ideal.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-60351089623253074822009-11-05T22:23:31.437+13:002009-11-05T22:23:31.437+13:00There are still a lot of "ifs" there, Ja...There are still a lot of "ifs" there, James. Time will tell, I guess.Greig McGillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08159929906208157846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-30141935595746974792009-11-05T21:13:58.459+13:002009-11-05T21:13:58.459+13:00But voluntary groupings of workers are fine.
Sure...<i>But voluntary groupings of workers are fine.</i><br /><br />Sure - provided there is no special legislation or exemptions for them. And for trades unions there most certainly are. If by organizing strikes or negotiation higher wages, a union causes costs to my business, I cannot sue a union to recover those costs plus damages - but if another company does, I can.<br />That's the problem. <br /><br /><i> There should be no clash of "competing police forces" when all property is privately owned.</i><br /><br />precisely - and I don't really see why that would be a problem anyway. It's called competition after all.<br /><br /><br /><i>This justice should be based on objective common law designed to protect our legitimate rights. </i><br /><br />I don't believe it is possible to have an "objective common law". I have great difficulty with the idea of "legitimate rights" vs "illegitimate rights". <br /><br /><br /><i>Even in the Libertarian utopia State servants will get at least a few crumbs from us for their efforts no..?</i><br /><br />In a Libertarian Utopia, there will be no State servants.Sinnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-290882106471295732009-11-05T16:11:47.981+13:002009-11-05T16:11:47.981+13:00"Did Rodney earn that money by selling a prod..."Did Rodney earn that money by selling a product or service for which there was a real demand? No."<br /><br />But in the real world he has a job and should be paid for doing it regardless.<br /><br />"I believe a politician's income should come from their own supporters, not the taxpayer. That would privatise the trough - I'm all for that. I want mine gold-plated ~:)"<br /><br />I don't disagree that politicians should be far fewer and therefore not being payed from the tax tit.<br /><br />But the fact is they ARE and while it is so the fact is that Rodney only spent what what is his earned money as an MP...as the rest of us would expect to do with ours.<br /><br />Pollies do need paying...or are we now saying they should work for free? Even in the Libertarian utopia State servants will get at least a few crumbs from us for their efforts no..?<br /><br />Fact remains...Hide paid for his girlfriend from money that was always his rightfully to spend.Nothing over and above was taken.<br /><br />Thank you Greg....at least someone has been thinking.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-57798384607644041272009-11-05T08:43:00.384+13:002009-11-05T08:43:00.384+13:00Ah James,
How is it swallowing dead rats? You se...Ah James,<br /><br />How is it swallowing dead rats? You seem to be getting quite good at it. Please, keep going.<br /><br />LGMLGMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-67564287018104583172009-11-05T08:25:16.329+13:002009-11-05T08:25:16.329+13:00Hang on a sec though. James has a point. Sure, ide...Hang on a sec though. James has a point. Sure, ideally Mr. Hide shouldn't be paid by the public at all. Given that he is though, and if Adolf is 100% correct, no *extra* money has been taken by Hide. That is to say, the taxpayer is no better or worse off than if the trip never happened. Other than on the purest of ideological grounds, where is the beef?<br /><br />If I've misunderstood the circumstances here, by all means let me know.Greig McGillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08159929906208157846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-58469619904526373232009-11-05T07:43:58.199+13:002009-11-05T07:43:58.199+13:00Wouldn't it be great if politicians were paid ...Wouldn't it be great if politicians were paid by individual donations from their supporters. Then they could earn heaps when the people are impressed and their income would take a dive when they break their promises. Sounds like capitalism! The trouble is that in the current culture the MPs who provide lots of expensive handouts are probably the ones who would get the most donations - eek! There is no getting away from the need for cultural change and a constitution that limits government.Sally O'Brienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06166572104269217027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-14042254133954853402009-11-05T07:36:26.075+13:002009-11-05T07:36:26.075+13:00James - from where has the money to pay Rodney'...James - from where has the money to pay Rodney's income arisen?<br /><br />You forget that politicians create nothing - they only spend other people's money. And they are remunerated from taxes levied on you and I. Doesn't matter how that money is laundered, it is still taken from productive people in the first place.<br /><br />Did Rodney earn that money by selling a product or service for which there was a real demand? No.<br /><br />I believe a politician's income should come from their own supporters, not the taxpayer. That would privatise the trough - I'm all for that. I want mine gold-plated ~:)Richard McGrathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-24998035287122897802009-11-05T01:36:46.174+13:002009-11-05T01:36:46.174+13:00So PC...please explain just how its troughing for ...So PC...please explain just how its troughing for an MP to recieve HIS OWN deducted money back in travel funding?<br /><br />Adolf(not ACT's greatest fan) laid it all out here..<br /><br />http://nominister.blogspot.com/2009/11/they-never-told-you-that.html<br /><br />"Here's the part everybody has conveniently ignored.<br /><br /> He has already paid for the perk through a lower salary. The Remuneration Authority deducts 100% of the average value of the international travel perk (around $6,900 per MP) from their salary. The Authority also deducts around $4,000 from MPs salary to cover the 45% of spouses domestic travel deemed of personal benefit.<br /><br />Make no mistake about it. The tax payer did not pay one penny toward Ms Crome's expenses. Mr Hide paid the lot. The trip cost no more than $6,000 - a far cry from $25 k of the sloppy and mischievous Caramel Mung-Goo from the Herald."<br /><br />Zing!Rodney vindicated.Chuck in all the millions he's saved over the years by fronting against dodgy bullshit,Winston,the IRD's brutality and self driving his own smart car it it turns out the taxpayer actually owes him quite a debt.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-44221663866876353802009-11-04T23:33:03.442+13:002009-11-04T23:33:03.442+13:00@James: You're not fooling anyone, you know.
...@James: You're not fooling anyone, you know.<br /><br />I doubt that your spin is even fooling yourself.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-43097854876911349682009-11-04T21:24:34.121+13:002009-11-04T21:24:34.121+13:00Yawn...haven't you caught up yet Richard? Hide...Yawn...haven't you caught up yet Richard? Hide was only spending his OWN deducted money...not extra from the tax pot.Louise cost $5000 to take away.Rodney had that money taken out of his total salary to cover just this thing.And he's the one who's been trying to end the"perk"and return the money to the total salary so this confusion amounst the tiny mined is avoided.<br /><br />Hands up all the Libs who don't drive on public roads inspite of being taxed to fund them...?<br /><br />You principled heros you.<br /><br />;-)Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-36758413398889652332009-11-04T13:07:32.186+13:002009-11-04T13:07:32.186+13:00Sinner - a lot of the infrastructure of the justic...Sinner - a lot of the infrastructure of the justice system, defence force and policing could be privatised.<br /><br />For instance, if the govt respected every New Zealander's right to defend themselves against aggression by permitting ownership and carriage of firearms including handguns, a lot of police work would be avoided.<br /><br />I believe, like you, that a lot of what goes through our courts could be settled through mediation or arbitration. Much cheaper, quicker and agreeable to all parties involved. Largely I think this is just a matter of people becoming aware that such services already exist and are a good alternative in many cases to the clogged court system.<br /><br />In the case of national security, I believe the best action is prevention - by permitting free trade with as many countries as possible - including communist ratholes like Cuba. Countries that trade with each other don't tend to go to war - they look for other peaceful solutions to perceived conflicts.<br /><br />But letting the citizenry arm themselves to the teeth should be allowed and even encouraged, and tends to discourage invasion, as many Swiss would attest.<br /><br />I disagree with the banning of trade unions. I agree with the prosecution of trade unions that use coercion in, for example, recruiting members or during industrial disputes. But voluntary groupings of workers are fine. Hell, I'm the divisional chairman of a local union of sorts (the NZ Medical Association).<br /><br />I feel there has to be an over-riding government monopoly (almost chokes me to write that!) on justice, when parties are unable to settle their disputes any other way. This justice should be based on objective common law designed to protect our legitimate rights. <br /><br />Policing could be devolved regionally or locally with law enforcement the right and responsibility of property owners. There should be no clash of "competing police forces" when all property is privately owned.Richard McGrathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-63764102493781337592009-11-04T12:23:46.409+13:002009-11-04T12:23:46.409+13:00Privatise funding of everything except justice, na...<i> Privatise funding of everything except justice, national defence and upholding the rule of law.</i><br /><br />I still completely fail to see why justice and policing - and probably defence to - cannot be privatised.<br /><br />I personally see no benefit to our tinpot army, navy, or airforce, strongly object to the UN and "peacekeeping", and find theft from my pocket to fund this morally repugnant.<br /><br />I take responsibility for my family and my property.<br />I get no benefit from the state or the criminal "justice" system - yet I am forced to pay for it.<br /><br />And any commercial contracts I sign always have a clause requiring private mediator or arbitration. <br /><br /><i> voluntary groupings such as trade unions</i><br /><br />Surely a Libz government should ban trades unions! Or at least remove all protections from them, which would have the same effect - as an employer, I'd take direction action to prevent union influence, or sue the union for the costs they imposed on my business - except of course both of those things are currently illegal in NZ.Sinnernoreply@blogger.com