tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post6680687487528628409..comments2024-03-29T10:51:27.752+13:00Comments on Not PC: General debatePeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-69118035233162910992009-02-22T17:16:00.000+13:002009-02-22T17:16:00.000+13:00And make sure you get the receipt, not the copy of...And make sure you get the receipt, not the copy of the cheque.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, all PC's 'heroic' capitalists here in NZ are heading for the courtroom on SFO fraud charges - just as I predicted. And many more to come as the veil falls from his eyes. <BR/><BR/>Or maybe not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-65169220690294568312009-02-18T21:30:00.000+13:002009-02-18T21:30:00.000+13:00Elijah - I don't particularly want to have this ou...Elijah - I don't particularly want to have this out in public - please email me on my Gmail address as given above.<BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-65026907102559827612009-02-18T13:07:00.000+13:002009-02-18T13:07:00.000+13:00DenMT You should have gone for the $1000.00. for y...DenMT<BR/><BR/> You should have gone for the $1000.00. for yourself. That way you could have taken a client out for a drink or given a discount or something good like that. This way you get nothing and the Greens benefit.<BR/><BR/>LGMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-73222005833840914262009-02-17T22:49:00.000+13:002009-02-17T22:49:00.000+13:00"Only a moron..."... would comment on things she k..."Only a moron..."<BR/><BR/>... would comment on things she knows nothing about.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-52853113037967305932009-02-17T21:50:00.000+13:002009-02-17T21:50:00.000+13:00Only a moron would have taken a bet that National ...Only a moron would have taken a bet that National would lose the election.<BR/><BR/>I would just leave it be Den. To persue it is akin to parking in the disabled carpark at the mall.<BR/><BR/>Hilarious that other so-called Objectivists admire and take 'investment' advice from this clown. <BR/><BR/>Well, not many these days except the die-hards, since he has single-handedly destroyed the party...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-81852257253017381462009-02-17T21:04:00.000+13:002009-02-17T21:04:00.000+13:00LGM - the original bet was for $1000 paid to me (E...LGM - the original bet was for $1000 paid to me (Elijah instigated the bet, I might add). I decided after winning it that it was a bit ridiculous, so halved it on the condition that Elijah paid the Greens, out of sheer irony value more than anything else. <BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-32801662032816499152009-02-17T21:02:00.000+13:002009-02-17T21:02:00.000+13:00Elijah - I never received the email - which accoun...Elijah - I never received the email - which account did you send it to? Please email again to davedrawslines@gmail.com<BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-87789209139013029572009-02-17T18:10:00.000+13:002009-02-17T18:10:00.000+13:00I would have preferred to have won the bet and not...I would have preferred to have won the bet and not paid at all! ha ha!Elijah Lineberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12626477239489811223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-51662893178191224562009-02-17T16:27:00.000+13:002009-02-17T16:27:00.000+13:00ElijahYou should not have given the cheque to the ...Elijah<BR/><BR/>You should not have given the cheque to the Greens. You should have given the money to DenMT directly instead. That way you are not paying sustenance to some evil outfit. <BR/><BR/>LGMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-4042428879457763522009-02-17T15:55:00.000+13:002009-02-17T15:55:00.000+13:00Yes, DenMT, I made that donation a couple of month...Yes, DenMT, I made that donation a couple of months back and emailed you the picture of the cheque, as requested.Elijah Lineberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12626477239489811223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-11870200416684595152009-02-17T15:01:00.000+13:002009-02-17T15:01:00.000+13:00DenMT, I think Elijah is a hypocrite and a pretent...DenMT, I think Elijah is a hypocrite and a pretentious person. He always talked here at Not PC, about how much money he makes but actually that's bullshit if he hasn't made the donation hat he promised (your bet with him).<BR/><BR/>I think that Elijah also made a bet with Ruth and Ruth won that bet. I suspect that Elijah hasn't paid Ruth of what he owes her from the same bet.<BR/><BR/>Pay up man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1494555664699605972009-02-17T07:38:00.000+13:002009-02-17T07:38:00.000+13:00SusAnon writes: ""LGM" called me a troll. That is ...Sus<BR/><BR/>Anon writes: ""LGM" called me a troll. That is a common term used when they think the poster should be banned."<BR/><BR/>Beware! You are debating an anonymous mind reader who reckons he knows what everyone thinks!<BR/><BR/>Incredible. <BR/><BR/>LGMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-42336043349595606592009-02-17T07:37:00.000+13:002009-02-17T07:37:00.000+13:00SusAnon writes: ""LGM" called me a troll. That is ...Sus<BR/><BR/>Anon writes: ""LGM" called me a troll. That is a common term used when they think the poster should be banned."<BR/><BR/>Beware! You are debating an anonymous mind reader who thinks he knows what everyone thinks!<BR/><BR/>Incredible. <BR/><BR/>LGMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-72780167541960336112009-02-17T07:22:00.000+13:002009-02-17T07:22:00.000+13:00Red BaitNot only are you a troll but you are a lia...Red Bait<BR/><BR/>Not only are you a troll but you are a liar. <BR/><BR/>1/. I didn't make a call for censorship. So now you have lied. Hence you are a liar. <BR/><BR/>Just because you can imagine something, that does not make it a fact. You should try telling the truth. It would make a nice change. <BR/><BR/>2/. While SOME individuals lust for power over others, it is each individual's personal decision whether they pursue such power or not. It is not in the nature of ALL human beings to seek power over others. In other words, you can't demonstrate that "people above all else desire power not freedom for the masses". <BR/><BR/>Human nature is to make decisions. Decisions are made individually. It is on those decisions each acts. What those decisions actually are is up to each individual to make. <BR/><BR/>LGM <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>buuuuuuuyyyyyyh888555vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvsaqqq2222222222 xxxxdwbbbbzaaaaaaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-22594353384746831422009-02-16T22:08:00.000+13:002009-02-16T22:08:00.000+13:00Why is Obama latest folly almost unmentioned in NZ...Why is Obama latest folly almost unmentioned in NZ? It will affect the world.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/02/15/barack-obamas-787bn-bailout-is-stupidity/" REL="nofollow">http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/02/15/barack-obamas-787bn-bailout-is-stupidity/</A><BR/><BR/>If you have a look at my last 2 or 3 posts on Obama (link blelow) you'll see why I think that Obama is public menace #1. Basically he's as evil as Herr Helen but capable of projecting military force around the globe.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/tag/barack-obama/" REL="nofollow">http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/tag/barack-obama/</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-57501195309947716812009-02-16T21:29:00.000+13:002009-02-16T21:29:00.000+13:00Elijah, did you ever donate $500 to the Greens as ...Elijah, did you ever donate $500 to the Greens as you undertook to do? You know, to satisfy our bet?<BR/><BR/>Sorry to trot this out on here PC but Elijah has disabled comments on his blog, and I figured this thread would be the best to do it on as it doesn't derail anything else...<BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-23804377187662406032009-02-16T14:33:00.000+13:002009-02-16T14:33:00.000+13:00Liberty Scott said : "Well the statutory minimum w...<I>Liberty Scott said : "Well the statutory minimum wage should be abolished, but not because low income people don't need much money - because they are all different - but because unskilled labour shouldn't be overpriced."</I><BR><BR/>I disagree. I think it should be abolished because it is against the principles of freedom of association.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-29658597796872965842009-02-16T14:32:00.000+13:002009-02-16T14:32:00.000+13:00I see so I have no right to remain anonymous?Where...<I>I see so I have no right to remain anonymous?</I><BR/><BR/>Where did anybody say that? I simply observed that those who provide their name are more likely to be taken seriously, and less likely to be trolling. Do what you like, it's your name, and it's your right to keep it secret. Simply be aware that some may hold you in lesser regard if you choose to remain anonymous. Freedom does not mean lack of accountability.<BR/><BR/><I>Both show me that you are angry with me and dont want me posting here! That is a form of censorship</I><BR/><BR/>Do you really believe that? Censorship is preventing you expressing your opinion. Not simply disagreeing with it, or even being angry that you expressed it. If all it takes to make you shut up is the knowledge that someone else is angered by your opinion, you'd not have posted some of your arguments in the first place. In fact, if that were the case, there wouldn't ever be much to talk about!<BR/><BR/>Anyway, as stated earlier by Richard, there is nothing wrong with private censorship. Peter could delete any post he wished to on this, his blog. I can't see it happening, but he's entirely within his writes to do so. You might not agree with it, but then it's not your place to dictate what someone else may do with their private property is it? :)Greig McGillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08159929906208157846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-41500439101420456622009-02-16T14:15:00.000+13:002009-02-16T14:15:00.000+13:00Sus said:There's a world of difference in, say, my...Sus said:<BR/><BR/>There's a world of difference in, say, my calling you an idiot versus calling for you to not be able to speak your mind. <BR/><BR/>There isnt a world of difference between those terms. Both show me that you are angry with me and dont want me posting here! That is a form of censorship. I wont hold this against you though as it is human nature to want to censor, hurt or kill. Indeed, humans, unlike animals, need lots of rules, laws and commandments ordering them to not do this too often or to the wrong creatures. For example, in many places today, it is illegal to kill the wife if she overcooks the pasta! Wow. Progress!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-82984309354284687112009-02-16T14:12:00.000+13:002009-02-16T14:12:00.000+13:00Anon - thanks for ther reply. My further thoughts:...Anon - thanks for ther reply. My further thoughts:<BR/><BR/>Point 1 (private monopolies) the only way a monopoly can occur is through the use of government force. 'Private monopoly' is a non sequitur. A market can be dominated by one player, e.g. Standard Oil in its early days, but that doesn't stop other players entering the market. Of course that doesn't say entering the market will be cheap or easy; that's the nature of competition.<BR/><BR/>Point 2 (Fascism) - your definition could also apply to comuunism, the common denominator being the sacrifice of the individual in favour of collectivism. <BR/><BR/>Point 3 - You are right - people do elect governments because they want something in return. usually this means the elected govt stealing from one group of people to favour another. Libertarians believe this is wrong. We would like governments to be so tightly constrained by a constitution that they are not able to steal from any New Zealander.<BR/><BR/>Nationalism tends to be insular and backward thinking. Globalisation and free trade tends to lessen the chances of war. Who would want to launch a war on their major trading partners?<BR/><BR/>'Tax evaders' are merely trying to conduct their business under less predatory government. It shouldn't be a crime to refuse to have half or more of your income stolen by the same people who are charged with upholding your individual rights.Richard McGrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11485082980018421590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-13639681793460354652009-02-16T13:57:00.000+13:002009-02-16T13:57:00.000+13:00"I see so I have no right to remain anonymous?"Now..."I see so I have no right to remain anonymous?"<BR/><BR/>Now you're cheesing me off. I never said that. <BR/><BR/>Read carefully and then comment. At least you're then doing so from a valid basis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-22771324935940212492009-02-16T13:45:00.000+13:002009-02-16T13:45:00.000+13:00"Reply to Sus .. "LGM" called me a troll. That is ..."Reply to Sus .. "LGM" called me a troll. That is a common term used when they think the poster should be banned. "Really Fat Girl" called me silly. Thats name calling and immature."<BR/><BR/>Anon: that's (mild) name-calling, yes, but it's no 'call for censorship', per se. I don't know who you are or what you know, but you don't need to hang around libertarian sites very long to know that free speech is sacrosanct. There's a world of difference in, say, my calling you an idiot versus calling for you to not be able to speak your mind. <BR/><BR/>FWIW, I read RFG's comment as being directed toward Elijah rather than yourself, anyway. I could be wrong ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-79972357965510205602009-02-16T13:40:00.000+13:002009-02-16T13:40:00.000+13:00I see so I have no right to remain anonymous? It i...I see so I have no right to remain anonymous? It is only a wrong analogy because your belief system differs from mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-34620553008242742322009-02-16T13:30:00.000+13:002009-02-16T13:30:00.000+13:00" .. just like the libertarians who choose not to ..." .. just like the libertarians who choose not to participate in the census."<BR/><BR/>That has nothing to do with being "anonymous". Wrong analogy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-11101275021169554652009-02-16T13:27:00.000+13:002009-02-16T13:27:00.000+13:00Reply to Sus"LGM" called me a troll. That is a com...Reply to Sus<BR/><BR/>"LGM" called me a troll. That is a common term used when they think the poster should be banned.<BR/><BR/>"Really Fat Girl" called me silly. Thats name calling and immature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com