tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post6256582522967279791..comments2024-03-22T11:55:50.335+13:00Comments on Not PC: Death of a tax martyrPeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-14241035051120554422015-10-27T21:57:49.607+13:002015-10-27T21:57:49.607+13:00A much easier way to register a protest against th...A much easier way to register a protest against the IRS and its enablers would have been for Irwin Schiff to leave the U.S., renounce his citizenship, and make millions elsewhere. Starve the beast, so to speak. A shame he chose to sacrifice himself like that. Let's hope it wasn't in vain, but I have a feeling that aside from readers of libertarian blogs, this piece of news won't even register a blip in the lamestream media.Richard McGrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13763002401676224819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-78821515353824814622015-10-23T14:15:31.993+13:002015-10-23T14:15:31.993+13:00In fact, they're perfectly complementary.In fact, they're perfectly complementary.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-65862612149884409762015-10-23T13:29:04.660+13:002015-10-23T13:29:04.660+13:00That Ayn Rand quote is in direct contradiction to ...That Ayn Rand quote is in direct contradiction to the Frederick Douglass quote below. This is the problem with libertarians: very few of them actually walk the walk. And because of this the ones that do (such as Irwin Schiff) are both heroic & futile at the same time.<br /><br />The libertarian movement will never be taken seriously while there are so-called proponents such as Ayn Rand, Roger Douglas etc. who talk the talk then rationalise helping themselves to taxpayer money.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-38199854638616874992015-10-22T17:04:21.494+13:002015-10-22T17:04:21.494+13:00Yes that. To Barry the Brave. Barry the Bombastic ...Yes that. To Barry the Brave. Barry the Bombastic Git.Mark Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-39616033562937851992015-10-22T16:36:38.431+13:002015-10-22T16:36:38.431+13:00"Morally, no one can give advice in any issue..."Morally, no one can give advice in any issue [like paying tax] where choices and decisions are not voluntary: "Morality ends where a gun begins." As to the practical alternatives available, the best thing to do is to consult a good lawyer.<br />There is, however, one moral aspect of the issue that needs clarification. Some ... seem to labor under the misapprehension that since [taxation] is a violation of their rights, compliance with [tax] law would constitute a moral sanction of that violation. This is a serious error. A forced compliance is not a sanction. All of us are forced to comply with many laws that violate our rights, but so long as we advocate the repeal of such laws, our compliance does not constitute a sanction. Unjust laws have to be fought ideologically; they cannot be fought or corrected by means of mere disobedience and futile martyrdom. To quote from an editorial on this subject in the April 1967 issue of 'Persuasion': "One does not stop the juggernaut by throwing oneself in front of it....")"<br />~ Ayn Rand, from 'The Wreckage of the Consensus,' 1967 [talking about the military draft in the original but, you know, principles ...]<br /><br /><br />Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-19158017506011096262015-10-22T14:12:53.335+13:002015-10-22T14:12:53.335+13:00So you're commenting on an article about Irwin...So you're commenting on an article about Irwin Schiff to argue that having principles is a waste of time. You have the ethics of a politician.<br /><br />At least you're up-front about it.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-50268276506124624642015-10-22T12:09:17.521+13:002015-10-22T12:09:17.521+13:00And my martyrdom to the tax state, which would cha...And my martyrdom to the tax state, which would change nothing, would be for what purpose Barry?<br /><br />Other than whinge on here, do you do anything to try and may 'your' world a better place?Mark Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-33409737831203048252015-10-21T10:50:02.596+13:002015-10-21T10:50:02.596+13:00Didn't need a dictionary Mark. I assume you wo...Didn't need a dictionary Mark. I assume you wouldn't need one to know the definition of 'hypocrite' which incidentally applies both to yourself and the welfare recipient you are defending.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-17943524243413069022015-10-21T08:39:39.676+13:002015-10-21T08:39:39.676+13:00@LIndsay: Oh, sure. We do each need to choose our ...@LIndsay: Oh, sure. We do each need to choose our battles. We do all have our limits. But as <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/45989-let-me-give-you-a-word-of-the-philosophy-of" rel="nofollow">Frederick Douglass might remind us</a>, "The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-16853853718126526322015-10-21T08:06:13.938+13:002015-10-21T08:06:13.938+13:00Barry, below I've put a link to a free diction...Barry, below I've put a link to a free dictionary (because you probably wouldn't pay for anything.<br /><br />http://www.thefreedictionary.com/<br /><br />Now look up 'fatuous'. Mark Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-62271246471552680102015-10-20T19:54:58.640+13:002015-10-20T19:54:58.640+13:00The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is fo...The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do noting. Our freedoms come with eternal vigilance. As a father and grand father I want my kids and grand kids to be free to be able to live their lives as they see fit and not to be under the thumb of some overbearing state, as slaves.Don Walkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-51169689311154040022015-10-20T18:07:46.630+13:002015-10-20T18:07:46.630+13:00Sounds like an American version of Penny Bright.Sounds like an American version of Penny Bright.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-7002196539701665262015-10-20T16:58:39.626+13:002015-10-20T16:58:39.626+13:00I hope the satisfaction he took in taking his prin...I hope the satisfaction he took in taking his principles to such extreme ends was worth it. My duty of care and love as a mother would take precedence. That in no way constitutes a criticism of this man. But we all have our limits.Lindsay Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-57921286795732931792015-10-20T15:24:16.841+13:002015-10-20T15:24:16.841+13:00What I admire about Irwin Schiff is that he was wi...What I admire about Irwin Schiff is that he was willing to go to jail for his principles. Unlike Ayn Rand who betrayed her principles in order to collect welfare.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-79203500163856918352015-10-20T13:21:51.798+13:002015-10-20T13:21:51.798+13:00In fact, hero. In fact, hero. Mark Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-25014801125234316792015-10-20T13:17:36.874+13:002015-10-20T13:17:36.874+13:00I read Peter Schiff, but had no idea on the histor...I read Peter Schiff, but had no idea on the history of his father. Good bloke.Mark Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-69490977891461197712015-10-20T12:42:44.855+13:002015-10-20T12:42:44.855+13:00A great story of courage of convictions. Now, go ...A great story of courage of convictions. Now, go and do likewise.<br /><br />3:16Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com