tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post6178140083336012825..comments2024-03-29T10:51:27.752+13:00Comments on Not PC: The "long march through the culture," and the need to attack TrevorPeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-49049847767627842452008-01-16T23:23:00.000+13:002008-01-16T23:23:00.000+13:00It may be fair to argue that the NZ-China Friendsh...It may be fair to argue that the NZ-China Friendship Society is no longer a communist front, but it is certaintly pro the Beijing regime.<BR/><BR/>It never has on its agenda addressing human rights, freedom of speech or any such issues in China, as it was originally set up to represent the PRC in NZ before NZ recognised it (back in the days when the legitimate government of China was seen to be the ROC on Taiwan).<BR/><BR/>For those who find what Loudon does creepy, would they think the same if he was digging up those who were once local supporters of Pinochet, the apartheid era S.African government, Stroessner, Franco or other non-Marxist dictators? Of course not, so why should sympathy with regimes of murderers be treated with kid gloves?<BR/><BR/>The intellectual argument that Stalin and Hitler were both at the same end of the political spectrum has long been made and is quite accurate. Marxism-Leninism and Nazism are totalitarian visions committed to annihilation of those who do not fit their mould of perfected people, and both have spilt blood in abundance - yet past sympathy with the former is somehow forgivable.Libertyscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741049550997300680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-36018519827678171922008-01-14T17:53:00.000+13:002008-01-14T17:53:00.000+13:00If you are a stickler for accuracy then you would ...If you are a stickler for accuracy then you would be right to attack Trevor, generally speaking the "left / socialist" was about ownership and the "right / fascist" was about regulation. I think Hitler said the same thing, something along the lines of "I don't need to go to all the trouble of owning all the industry, I just tell it what to do", but in German.<BR/><BR/>Like Ronald Reagan, I find "left right" pointless<BR/><BR/>"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream -- the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism." [1]<BR/><BR/>[1] Cresswell, P (Ed.) "The Free Radical" July August 2007, p1.<BR/><BR/>Eric Olthwaie, a crawler.Sir Arthur Streeb-Greeblinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07089215385939482882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-8887252320026163312008-01-14T16:26:00.000+13:002008-01-14T16:26:00.000+13:00I'm not engaged in a blog war, nor making fun of T...I'm not engaged in a blog war, nor making fun of Trevor. I have a fair amount of respect for his energy, and the journalist in me has found some of his articles on the links between different people and organisations quite interesting. As I wrote, some of his stuff is also batty IMO, but then, many people say that about some of what I write. <BR/><BR/>What prompted me to write the article was Trevor's very serious claims that Hitler and Mussolini were actually far-left-wingers, not of the extreme Right. Given Trevor's background and the content of his blog, it was, IMO, a somewhat newsworthy thing for the vice-president of a party represented in our Parliament to be arguing. Were I still working in the parliamentary press gallery, I would have written the same story.<BR/><BR/>I endeavour on my blog to maintain high journalistic standards of accuracy, and with my article about Trevor, as with much else I write, I have linked through to the source material, which in Trevor's case, largely came from his own blog.ponekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02765287551969022899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-40702714693397818362008-01-14T15:53:00.000+13:002008-01-14T15:53:00.000+13:00"NZ China Friendship Society = 'communist front'? ..."NZ China Friendship Society = 'communist front'? What a joke..."<BR/>yeah--reds under the bed are always a joke to lefties--derision and ridicule being just two more of the weapons the dishonest bastards use to shut down debate and investigations into their unsavoury connections.<BR/>As for a lefty having the nerve to describe Loudon as "Orwellian"..words fail.<BR/>I for one refuse to let the left set the terms of any debate by their use of all the usual tactics and labels:<BR/>the left are thuggish, dishonest totalitarian assholes who would happily see us descend into slavery. Every time a famous lefty dies I raise a glass in celebration.<BR/> You bet I'm with Loudon and Perigo. The item I have up on Crusader Rabbit right now about the Canadian publisher facing a Star Chamber type interrogation demonstrates perfectly where the left would lead us.<BR/>Bastards and scum, every last one of them.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-3093232429559583812008-01-14T14:31:00.000+13:002008-01-14T14:31:00.000+13:00I can see that you approve of Loudon's mission, th...I can see that you approve of Loudon's mission, the assembly of myriad files detailing nebulous connections between various suspected 'commies,' often in the distant past. <BR/><BR/>I firmly agree with Poneke in finding it hilarious and bizarrely fascinating that Loudon believes Hitler and Mussolini are leftists. What is even greater comedy is Loudon's po-faced reply on Poneke's comments thread, where he holds that 'EVERY political moderate, social democrat, conservative or libertarian is to the right of Hitler and Mussolini because they were in reality leftists' and as such, Poneke cruelly misrepresents his argument in his (excellent) thread title:<BR/><BR/>"ACT Party vice-president declares himself to be a near-anarchist on the political right of “left-wing” Hitler and Mussolini"<BR/><BR/>I actually find Loudon's attitude creepy. I'm sure if he delved into my past, he'd be easily able to dredge up some associations that could be patched together to make me look like a dyed-in-the-wool Maoist commie. I'll save him the trouble:<BR/><BR/>- Active in student politics at Vic Uni while there, attending several marches and fraternising with their organisers<BR/>- Both parents involved in 1981 anti-tour marches<BR/>- Posted for a long period on activist website FightDemBack<BR/>- Worked under known dirty commie red Alick Shaw in the kitchen of the Grain of Salt in my student days<BR/>- Has several Chinese friends who have as yet to smuggle him back to mainland China for the final indoctrination procedures - can only be a matter of time<BR/><BR/>This should be enough thoughtcrime to pin me to the wall in Loudon's book. The guy comes across as totally Orwellian in his desire to lather on the tar... NZ China Friendship Society = 'communist front'? What a joke...<BR/><BR/>PC, you might hold Loudon up as ahero and a martyr for what he's doing, I'll hold him up for ridicule. Still, while he's on his hands and knees looking for Reds under the bed, at least he's not up to any more serious mischief... <BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com