tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post5798373563427187245..comments2024-03-29T10:51:27.752+13:00Comments on Not PC: FRIDAY MORNING RAMBLE: The No-David-Bain issue [updated]Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-62988236907424810162010-03-31T19:51:34.353+13:002010-03-31T19:51:34.353+13:00Ruth, you're right there. Hickey is dumb and d...Ruth, you're right there. Hickey is dumb and dangerous.<br /><br />His campaign against farmer Crafar group was despicable. That idiot, Cactus Kate joined in to condemn the Crafar's for their incompetent in running their farm. How stupid and idiot was such condemnation. The Crafar's problems were just theirs and not the public. When they go down financially, neither Cactus nor Hickey would ever lose a single cent at all. The market will punish the Crafar's for its incompetent and not self important attention seeking idiots like Hickey and Cactus.<br /><br />Imagine if these self appointed idiots are to take risks and run a business let alone a big farm like the Crafars? Ha these idiots wouldn't even make a profit at all.<br /><br />Get out there Cactus and Hickey , take some risks and start a business for yourself. See what's its like?Vinnienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-50464407327056995562010-03-31T14:58:29.871+13:002010-03-31T14:58:29.871+13:00Hubbard also made the only good comment on a Berna...Hubbard also made the only good comment on a Bernard Hickey thread about Jane Diplock the other day.<br /><br />This regulation-loving *journalist* has the support of both left and right - in fact the ACT type rightist appears to be his biggest cheerleader. <br /><br />I used to think Hickey was just dumb - now I'm starting to think he could be dangerous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-70714970391671433102010-03-30T01:52:21.181+13:002010-03-30T01:52:21.181+13:00Magnificent piece of music by Gorecki. I seem to r...Magnificent piece of music by Gorecki. I seem to recall it was featured years ago on the South Bank show or something similar, with a Polish soprano. <br /><br />From Wikipedia: Gorecki's Symphony No. 4 was to be premiered in London in 2010 but the event has been cancelled due to the composer's ill health.<br /><br />@Mark Hubbard: Love your piece in the comments re Somalia.Richard McGrathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-42390342390223414302010-03-28T11:15:09.856+13:002010-03-28T11:15:09.856+13:00Vermin
You are the perfect hypocrit. If you hav...Vermin <br /><br />You are the perfect hypocrit. If you have something substantive you want to debate, by all means post your ideas and have at it. If they're interesting enough I might comment, if not I won't bother with you. Remember to stay on topic- PC has posted plenty of interesting material so even the likes of you should be able to find something. In the meantime you remain nothing more than a soft-cock verson of redbait sniping, emoting and smearing from the safety of your corner. What a hypocrit. <br /><br />BTW, I hardly think Mark needs help. His posts were outstanding- thorough in depth of fact, quality of research, excellent quotes- just brilliant. I learned some new things reading him on Friday. Well worth the time to follow what he wrote. And that is why I originally commented here. <br /><br />Who is Sally?<br /><br />Final point, before making up fibs and reducing yourself into a cheap liar, you might care to ask about matters you lack specific knowledge about. I have been a regular contributor over many years to several other blogs of interest to me. You didn't know that and didn't care to find out prior to posting. What a flake. <br /><br />LGMLGMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-36752676178578781482010-03-28T07:52:44.731+13:002010-03-28T07:52:44.731+13:00And I should have mentioned FF posted up some good...And I should have mentioned FF posted up some good stuff on the Red Alert blog (I have yet to download his links to citations to read- need to do that soon). He's just way over their heads! Plenty there.<br /><br />LGMLGMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-77149750522433440572010-03-27T20:16:37.345+13:002010-03-27T20:16:37.345+13:00Earth Hour I am ready, got all my halogen lights l...Earth Hour I am ready, got all my halogen lights lined up around the house. Extention cables everywhere. It will light up like a Christmas tree.Dintherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09444894238003853527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-16172972596664625562010-03-27T19:10:33.333+13:002010-03-27T19:10:33.333+13:00Mark Hubbard - oh dear - Part III (sorry Peter)
...Mark Hubbard - oh dear - Part III (sorry Peter) <br /><br />Now here’s an interesting fact, to pull this back to economics. Ask a mainstream economist from NZ today what is their guiding ethic and they will ‘all’ answer <i>utilitarianism</i>. The mix of policies that produces the greatest good for the greatest number. Yes, the bloodied altar of the common good again. It is no wonder that mainstream economic thought slavishly takes its starting point in Keynes, as David does, despite the clear evidence of history showing the destructiveness of Keynesian collectivist socialism. Though never named as such, Marx still delivers the lectures from the lectern of every Western tertiary economics course. David’s header post shows why the cause of freedom, a once nascent classical liberal individualist ethic of western civilisation is dead now. The irony is that tyrant of the twentieth century – there were so many, none of them possible in classical liberal minarchy - that National Socialist Adolf Hitler did his best to destroy the beautiful blossoming classical liberalism that was flowing from the Jewish émigré communities of Berlin in the early 1930’s, which if they had been allowed to flourish, rather than killed off in the concentration camps, may well have brought the West to a new level of prosperity and civilisation – I can provide references to some of the brightest members - but fortunately he was beaten. However, the political Left have since largely finished his job for him in a way that was far more effective: brainwashing childrens minds through our state education systems into accepting the altar of the common good of the collective their guiding principle, thus slowly over time turning Western nations away from the road to freedom, and to the barbarity of the tribalism we can see in countries such as Somalia, where the gun and force rules. It’s just that in the West, the initiator of force and coercion, the gangs with the biggest guns, are our governments.<br /><br />Note in the above I use the terms ‘classical liberal’ and ‘libertarian’ as interchangeable. <br /><br /><b>Anyway, when push has come to shove, David doesn’t seem to have the stomach to argue his case on this forum, to show me how, against the weight of the evidence of myself, Peter, Falafulu and Richard , plus a whole bunch of very well educated and respected Austrian school economists, how he believes he can centrally plan our economy, despite NOT ONE central planner before has been able to, only succeeding in enslaving their populations, as successive governments have done in New Zealand. He is the only one I was interested in trying to influence on this thread, because he is my jailer, so unless he re-enters the fray, answers to the posts demonstrating the menace of Keynes, I’m off.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-38700463892663440732010-03-27T19:08:54.891+13:002010-03-27T19:08:54.891+13:00Mark Hubbard - Part II
In fact, lets go a bit dee...<b>Mark Hubbard</b> - Part II<br /><br />In fact, lets go a bit deeper - here’s an interesting question: does the barbaric, violent tribalism of Somalia have any corollary in the West? Well yes it does.<br /><br />The political Left has as it’s basis the ‘common good’ of the collective. According to this life and liberty hating creed, of which David is part of, individualism is seditious, and the individual effort and life must be sacrificed on the altar of the common good of the majority, the tribe. And hundreds of millions of lives over the last century have been sacrificed on this alter, just as the butchery is set to start over again under the Left’s new darling, Chavez (at this stage he is just entering the stage of starving his populace out of resistance).<br /><br />Here’s one thing I don’t understand about the Left. Through the last century they have had to wring their hands in anguish as one totalitarian after another slaughtered their populaces, when such tryrants always started out pursuing the common good of those populaces, the ‘common good’ always their catch-cry For the rational mind, there is no confusion in this. <b>Without the individual as the focus and primary unit of society, that individuals life and its pursuit of happiness the only morality, without that, and turning instead the focus on sacrifice for the common good, then why is it any mystery that tyrants are able to sacrifice the lives of individuals en masse in pursuit of the common good, which normally ends up, of course, their very own common good – Labour’s and the social democratic credo, their societies based on need, drip with the blood of the individuals it destroys, always.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-81123629623125332072010-03-27T19:07:23.101+13:002010-03-27T19:07:23.101+13:00Mark Hubbard
(I'm on a laptop and can't ...<b>Mark Hubbard </b><br /><br />(I'm on a laptop and can't sign into my Google account. Red Alert has put my last post into moderation, I don't know if it will get through or not, so I'll put it up here, becuase I like third to last paragraph about NZ's mainstream economists :) And because I'm sick of the Somalia comparison, and wanted to destroy it finally.) My post, unedited - whoops, too big, have to split it in two.<br /><br /><br /><i>You want laissez faire, go to Somalia. It is the pure system of laissez faire</i><br /><br />Jeremy states this for the second time, though I have already disabused him of it once. (Does this lack of comprehension have roots in the state school system?)<br /><br />One more time.<br /><br /><br />Characteristics of a humanist based classical liberal society, and it’s corollary economic system of laissez-faire capitalism.<br /><br />The basis of this society is the individual, that is the primary focus. In such a minarchy, the rights, starting with property rights, of the individual are protected by a written constitution, that being the only function of the small state. Given this, consenting adults can live in full freedom, pursuing their goals, and what the founding fathers of America would call their pursuit of happiness, which is necessarily possible only unshackled from Nanny State governments.<br /><br />Such a state of freedom can further only occur when each individual has nothing to fear from the initiation of force from another individual or group, and the role of state is thus to enforce the non-initiation of force principle. Thus the small state has some basic functions to ensure this:<br /><br />An army to protect individuals from outside aggressors.<br /><br />A police force to protect individuals from internal aggressors.<br /><br />A criminal justice system to try abusers, and punish them.<br /><br />The minarchy also has other basic functions such as a civil (precedent setting) and contract law system, and to provide for the rule of law, for a minarchy is certainly, per the above, founded on the rule of law.<br /><br />Below all the above, and guiding the rule of law, is human reason.<br /><br /><br />Now, let’s look at Somalia.<br /><br />The country is in a state of anarchy, where power is wielded solely by force: by the gun. That is, the initiation of force is behind every transaction (compare this with laissez-faire above!)<br /><br />The country has no individualistic ethic, it exists solely on tribal allegiance: if you’re from the wrong tribe from in the wrong area, then that is the only reason needed to kill you.<br /><br />The country has no rule of law. Again, law comes from the tribe with the biggest gun.<br /><br />The affairs of the tribe are more often than not ruled by the opposite of reason: that is, primitive mysticism. And hence the barbarity and brutality we see practiced there, for as Voltaire stated, ‘those who believe in absurdities become capable of atrocities.’<br /><br /><br />So, Jeremy, Somalia, and then the classical liberal laissez-faire society – given my analysis above, would you perhaps like to explicate for all of us what you see as the similarities that you can make your heinous and unfounded statement equating the two? I have demonstrated clearly, irrefutably, that clearly they are as different as night from day. One is a state of freedom, the other a living collectivist hell, a form of societal insanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-72519332008437844742010-03-27T16:36:20.142+13:002010-03-27T16:36:20.142+13:00Correct Richard, Mark Hubbard's contribution a...Correct Richard, Mark Hubbard's contribution at RedAlert is excellent. But where is the big mouth-know-it-all LGM on that debate at RedAlert? He is missing. He enthusiastically lectures everyone on this blog, but completely missing in action at RedAlert when his exaggerated opinion shown here on Not PC is needed by Mark Hubbard at RedAlert?<br /><br />I agree with Sally, that LGM lives on this blog as a troll. He hasn't argued any of his points outside Not PC blog, because he/she is a wimp. He attacks others who come here to read, but act like a sissy in taking his argument to other blogs.Vernonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-7342871486457835472010-03-26T20:58:45.926+13:002010-03-26T20:58:45.926+13:00Tim Blair's recommendation regarding the BBC d...Tim Blair's recommendation regarding the BBC documentary "Generation Jihad" is bang on. There are three episodes of six parts each. Worth watching. Chilling.<br /><br />BTW is it the sort of conspirators seen on the BBC documentary that the spy station (recently discussed on the Nullification thread) is searching for? <br /><br />LGMLGMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-16774725044821442442010-03-26T20:06:20.407+13:002010-03-26T20:06:20.407+13:00Agree with LGM re the Red Alert debate. Mark Hubba...Agree with LGM re the Red Alert debate. Mark Hubbard's contribution is highly recommended.Richard McGrathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-44491726443544509682010-03-26T19:08:38.198+13:002010-03-26T19:08:38.198+13:00I agree that the plot isn't exactly stellar, I...I agree that the plot isn't exactly stellar, I was actually quite bored with the first 1/2 of it. The action in the second half kinda made up for it, it's a popcorn flick.<br /><br />This of course has nothing to do with my critique of the views espoused by conservatives such as Ann McElhinny, which show just how little they understand liberty.David S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-10492521659415187782010-03-26T16:38:43.468+13:002010-03-26T16:38:43.468+13:00David S
It's a weak film with a silly story- ...David S<br /><br />It's a weak film with a silly story- over-hyped, over-done and over with. The damn thing wasn't worth the talents of the technical people, the efforts of the actors or the money that people paid to see it. It's a nonsense.<br /><br />LGMLGMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-76705258436807841312010-03-26T15:16:12.778+13:002010-03-26T15:16:12.778+13:00Some of the views I've read and seen about the...Some of the views I've read and seen about the film Avatar are truly incredible, and are about as libertarian as Genghis Khan. <br /><br />Libertarianism is not rooted in improving outcomes. It is not rooted in the common good. It is rooted in individual freedom. The freedom to choose free of physical coercion even if that choice is bad for you. From a libertarian standpoint, this film is not about mining=bad nature=good. <br /><br />In the film, the humans offered a choice to the inhabitants, but instead of respecting their choice they used force of arms to destroy homes and lives, all to take something that did not belong to them. If there had been a libertarian government on that planet, the natives would have been allowed to live as they please, and anyone attempting initiate force against them would have been locked away.David S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-58315381463926631152010-03-26T12:48:43.907+13:002010-03-26T12:48:43.907+13:00The Red Alert debate is excellent. PC kicked it o...The Red Alert debate is excellent. PC kicked it off by demolishing Cuniffe's nonsense. Mark posted some good quotes and prosecuted powerful argument against Cuniffe and acolytes. He hit a home run against Mob Red. <br /><br />Excellent stuff. Well worth reading.<br /><br />LGMLGMnoreply@blogger.com