tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post5730496094551829195..comments2024-03-22T11:55:50.335+13:00Comments on Not PC: Antifa: socialists or fascists?Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-20941845771130421792017-09-06T15:45:39.597+12:002017-09-06T15:45:39.597+12:00Time is almost at a close Cresswell
Your game is ...Time is almost at a close Cresswell<br /><br />Your game is DONE<br /><br />Infiltrators like YOU always end up where they deserve , Rat Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-87353236291914857892017-09-04T18:35:42.775+12:002017-09-04T18:35:42.775+12:00Roedolf - You have the internet, you went to schoo...Roedolf - You have the internet, you went to school, and yet you're arguing as if you'd never heard of fascism except on this blog. There's a difference between fascist and socialist authoritarian regimes (and it's not that fascism is a form of socialism). It isn't complicated. <br /><br />And no, most countries today are not socialist whether they proclaim it or not. Libertarians themselves argue this, for example, when the success of Scandinavian countries is brought up.<br /><br />Mark - Roedolf's argument is odd but yours is missing a chromosome. You think there's a conspiracy by Google & the "intellectual mainstream" to hide/deny Nazi leftist socialism? Jesus wept.<br /><br />"If you read what the Nazis actually wrote"<br /><br />Which you yourself clearly haven't done. You'd benefit greatly from some Google education of your own. I'd suggest starting with "Fascism" & "Nazism". Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-6162014045823661822017-09-04T11:13:00.262+12:002017-09-04T11:13:00.262+12:00Ben, They called themselves socialist, spoke out f...Ben, They called themselves socialist, spoke out forcefully against capitalism, and acted to enforce centralized control over the economy. <br /><br />Admittedly, in of of themselves any one of the above isn't definitive, but taken as a whole it's pretty clear cut.<br /><br />At what point do you call it socialism? If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and publicly declares itself to be not just a duck, but the most pure blooded duck in the world, perhaps we should just take it on it's word?<br /><br />Also, communism is a form of socialism, but not the only version. I can be socialist and be anti communist, the same way I can be Christian and anti Catholic. <br /><br />Lastly: Many, if not most countries today <i>does</i> have a socialist regime by definition, and would proudly proclaim it. Most of Europe are proudly socialist, even John Key declared that Kiwi's have a "Socialist Streak". Only the Yanks and the Aussies won't cop to it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12528073402973889490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-28309487805671601582017-09-04T08:52:22.395+12:002017-09-04T08:52:22.395+12:00I've seen in previous discussions your sense o...I've seen in previous discussions your sense of reality is determined by what you can quickly google, and the basis on which you make our assertions. If you'd gone a bit further though, you'd have realised that Nazi was the German abbreviation for National Socialist. That by itself doesn't prove anything (as the DPRK examples shows), but if you read what the Nazi's actually wrote, you'll find much of it indistinguishable from what modern socialists advocate today. It was socialism with a nationalist/racist/militarist rather than the internationalist/pacifist flavour, but socialism nonetheless.<br /><br />When the intellectual mainstream of our era is predominantly socialist, they will of course want to distance themselves from the Nazis, so I wouldn't be surprised if your search engine shows few "reputable" historians pointing out the parallels (or even acknowledging tht Nazi was short for National Socialism) - but if truth is really your goal, you should read what the Nazis advocated on the domestic front and decide for yourself.MarkThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199883270652041621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-22467854106171775122017-09-01T09:59:22.739+12:002017-09-01T09:59:22.739+12:00Being "anti-capitalist" to an extent doe...Being "anti-capitalist" to an extent does not automatically make a regime socialist. If it did, then every country on the planet today would have a socialist regime by definition.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Anti-communismBennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-72260364119781601522017-08-31T15:13:27.601+12:002017-08-31T15:13:27.601+12:00Hi Ben, here you go:
https://books.google.ca/books...Hi Ben, here you go:<br />https://books.google.ca/books?id=1oXbDyeLYXoC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=Feldman,+Gerald.+The+Economic+Origins+of+European+Fascism&source=bl&ots=EQvpyEizl7&sig=-Y7OUYWOAg5NMYi2LYLLP8bUO6U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi399mk2IPPAhVW5mMKHdKKA_cQ6AEIIjAC#v=onepage&q=anti-capitalist%20enough&f=falseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12528073402973889490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-91537479275749197052017-08-31T10:43:58.862+12:002017-08-31T10:43:58.862+12:00The Nazis were not socialist; you can't just a...The Nazis were not socialist; you can't just arbitrarily decide that they were to suit your political beliefs.<br /><br />If I'm wrong then name a reputable, objective historian who thinks they were. And no, Reisman is not an historian.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-11811690838815167062017-08-31T10:40:33.251+12:002017-08-31T10:40:33.251+12:00Dinwar
are you serious? You want to see all publi...Dinwar<br /><br />are you serious? You want to see all public monuments, worldwide, which were built by governments or rulers which don't fit your definition of acceptability, removed? (removed by another coercive government or ruler, no less :) <br /><br />That's bye bye pyramids,knock down cathedrals and castles ... and cleanse the museums too?<br /><br />PC's post on the removal of statues honouring anything built in celebration of warriors who included in their code something PC now considers "evil" is ridiculously tendentious. the Drunken Watchmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-32491048255874385802017-08-31T01:07:39.532+12:002017-08-31T01:07:39.532+12:00Personally I'd be fine with removal of all pub...Personally I'd be fine with removal of all public monuments. The idea of the government spending public treasure to honor individuals is definitely against the proper purpose of government! If private groups wish to erect statues, monuments, or whatever, that's perfectly fine; it reflects nothing but their views, and is their property. <br /><br />The only sticking point I can see is the military. Obviously as an organization it makes sense that they'd want to honor certain members. As public institution, however, it becomes tricky. I think that as long as those statues, memorials, or whatever remain on military property it would be no different from statues or memorials on anyone else's property. Dinwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06138006602385020048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-36682877113159156452017-08-30T20:26:05.352+12:002017-08-30T20:26:05.352+12:00btw, current NZ monuments to war heroes - they pre...btw, current NZ monuments to war heroes - they pretty much all fought for a nationalist/ political system which included mainstay socialist elements.<br /><br />so bye bye all monuments, Victoria Crosses, museum portraits of Charles Upham :) the Drunken Watchmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-31567607017746767242017-08-30T17:22:49.228+12:002017-08-30T17:22:49.228+12:00"But even sympathy for Confederate slavery pa..."But even sympathy for Confederate slavery pales in comparison with advocating slavery for today, for everyone, as does socialism."<br /><br />so..... at some point all monuments to those who fought for socialism should be removed? <br /><br />How about, meat eating comes to be seen as evil.... all monuments to a war hero who had fought for their country's right to free trade, including its meat, should also be removed?the Drunken Watchmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-13575788035451540532017-08-30T17:07:32.235+12:002017-08-30T17:07:32.235+12:00Apologies for typos.Apologies for typos.Mark Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-29056051138043019852017-08-30T15:44:58.252+12:002017-08-30T15:44:58.252+12:00I find it more and more useful to boil this down t...I find it more and more useful to boil this down to identity versus individualism.<br /><br />Freedom advocates are individualists, and treat everyone on their merit as a unique individual (hence, per one of your earlier blogs, individualism makes racism, sexism, et all impossible).<br /><br />Both an antifa like a alt-right white supremacists are that most evil creature which views everything in terms of identity to the extinguishment of being able to treat people as individual human beings. People are either loved, or more usually, hated, merely on skin colour or gender. That's why identity has always, in its final iteration, able to commit genocide - the wiping out of individuals en masse based on something as superficial as a group they are identified with.Mark Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.com