tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post4055436599042824258..comments2024-03-18T17:17:00.423+13:00Comments on Not PC: Legal aid or legal trough? [updated]Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-72058752486726810692009-09-02T14:00:53.038+12:002009-09-02T14:00:53.038+12:00Elijah says:
"Instead of the silliness of ...Elijah says:<br />"Instead of the silliness of 'due process' or 'innocent until proven guilty' ."<br /><br />I assume you are being sarcastic. So I'd wager you've not had the misfortune to come to the attention of our tax authorities.Clunking Fisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18020166717482531977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-11730218087537200642009-09-02T11:39:22.227+12:002009-09-02T11:39:22.227+12:00Sigh, why do I attract anonymous commenters who ca...Sigh, why do I attract anonymous commenters who can't even read what they quote.<br /><br />Spot the difference:<br /><br />"It’s a legitimate use of govt’s money to pay for a legal system.""<br /><br />"No, it's not. Many many criminal systems . . . have no legal aid scheme."Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-55795531285737490452009-09-02T11:31:11.947+12:002009-09-02T11:31:11.947+12:00It’s a legitimate use of govt’s money to pay for a...<i> It’s a legitimate use of govt’s money to pay for a legal system,</i><br><br />no. It' not. many many criminal systems - such as singapore - with whom we compete directly, and China, have no legal aid scheme and would never think of introducing stuff. Hey, even the French, with a much more direct inquisitorial system, have neither legal aid nor dedicated lawyers for criminals.<br /><br><br />It's about time we realised that criminals and gang members and beneficiaries and the rest are simply not part of society and should be treated as such. <br />Productive members of society can afford lawyers for appeals - for the rest, getting rid of the lawyers will save not only the direct costs of their fees, but the must larger indirect costs incurred by courts, police, investigations, trials, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-61550779734491666872009-09-02T11:09:58.996+12:002009-09-02T11:09:58.996+12:00I agree that law is one of the few legitimate purp...I agree that law is one of the few legitimate purposes and activities of the state. As always, the question is where to draw the box inside of which that activity must be contained. Because we don't have that clear there's just too much 'wetlands' in which leeches prosper. There's more species than just lawyers though. Combine power and authority with a lack of responsibility and liability and an extensive flora and fauna of various suckulents will inevitably appear.Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03208575304505689135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-49040264433986986982009-09-02T10:59:23.007+12:002009-09-02T10:59:23.007+12:00I have a better idea.. let's do away with Cour...I have a better idea.. let's do away with Courts and Lawyers altogether!<br /><br />Instead of the silliness of 'due process' or 'innocent until proven guilty' ..[<i>"innocent?, yeah right!"</i>].. we can just leave it to Radio Live callers to decide these matters.<br /><br />We can call it the "Talkback Committee" whereby 'Bill from Westport' (retired coalminer and regular at the local pub), and Yvonne from Henderson (housewife extraordinaire who unhesitatingly dishes out a good walloping when necessary) shall be members of the committee, they will look someone up and down and pronounce him guilty.<br /><br />By doing things this way we can save the taxpayer literally <i>BILLIONS</i> over the next five years, and New Zealand is, afterall, a democracy and democracy means Bill and Yvonne are more than qualified to simply take a vote on important matters.<br /><br />Once Bill and Yvonne have done what is expected of them *ahem* we can then leave it to Dave, Trevor and that panelbeater from Ota-hoo Steve to rip the guilty apart limb from limb saving even more taxpayer dollars.<br /><br />Problem solved!<br /><br />No more legal aid bills, no more "innocent" [*<i>yeah, right!</i>*] verdicts, no more stuffy Judges dishing out community service to shoplifters instead of "life means life - so there!" sentences...<br /><br />Thus are all men created equal...Elijah Lineberryhttp://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-42892154745028250222009-09-02T10:50:34.485+12:002009-09-02T10:50:34.485+12:00BEZ: "Never thought you'd actually want t...BEZ: "<i>Never thought you'd actually want to NATIONALIZE anything.</i>"<br /><br />Well, there's probably an element of shock value in saying that, but law (objective law) really is the legitimate role the state, don't you agree?<br /><br />FF: That's the thing, isn't it: Its almost heart-breaking seeing so many otherwise intelligent people lining up to learn about legal legerdemain instead of genuine productive careers. One half to write stupid laws and the other half to work out how to charge clients to get round them, sucking like leeches the whole time.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1315459008720006822009-09-02T10:12:42.226+12:002009-09-02T10:12:42.226+12:00Never thought you'd actually want to NATIONALI...Never thought you'd actually want to NATIONALIZE anything. There must be some past hurt there, to go off your philosophy on this matter.<br />I do agree in principle, though, there's way to much lawyers in everything, but that may be just because there's too much law in everything. If we start reducing the second, the first will come down by itself. Also, the entire legal system is so terribly broken and outdated, that you can't blame anybody for anything until you go back to first principles and fix the thing. It's not hard really, but it'll take balls to do it, much more cajones than there are currently present, that's for sure.<br />Nice link to the IJ site, agree that something like that would be useful, let's get it started.Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03208575304505689135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-66974485411026512182009-09-02T10:00:19.903+12:002009-09-02T10:00:19.903+12:00PC said...
Frankly, once you start ‘nationalising’...PC said...<br /><i>Frankly, once you start ‘nationalising’ a few lawyers and take away their golden spigot we’ll soon see lawyers fees coming down.</i><br /><br />I'll also add that we'll soon see the number of students applying to study criminal law dropped, I guess. They might line up to apply for places in engineering and science or perhaps even architecture.Falafulu Fisinoreply@blogger.com