tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post385402816153387045..comments2024-03-18T17:17:00.423+13:00Comments on Not PC: It’s Easter. [updated]Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-77366844876245299232011-04-26T19:12:17.127+12:002011-04-26T19:12:17.127+12:00The whole idea of "Public Holidays" is -...<i>The whole idea of "Public Holidays" is - necessarily - communist.</i><br /><br />Indeed, I assumed that Libertarianz members are opposed to public holiday legislation in general. The question was whether making Easter Sunday an ordinary public holiday (like, say, Labour Day or the Queen's Birthday) would be considered an improvement (in terms of "freedom") over the <i>status quo</i>, not whether public holidays are in general a good idea on the merits.Bizarro #1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-32669687489258100552011-04-24T18:18:55.939+12:002011-04-24T18:18:55.939+12:00PC said...
It's all about the resurrection?
R...PC said...<br /><i>It's all about the resurrection?</i><br /><br />Regardless of one's own belief, I think that you like the harmony in the following hymn. I'm sure you've heard us (myself, Papa, 'Ofa, Hateni) the vocal quartet sang it (the Tongan version) in one of the party's at the Castle some years back, you guys thought it was beautiful (the harmony) only to be told afterward by 'Ofa that it was a hymn that we sang! Despite revealing that, it didn't stop you guys applauding us. A lesson to learn here is that music can touch our feeling irrelevant of where it originated.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFTqpptLLwg" rel="nofollow">Christ the Lord is Risen Today</a> (Mormon Tabernacle Choir)Falafulu Fisinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-90483221921680113932011-04-24T18:02:45.368+12:002011-04-24T18:02:45.368+12:00Did a road trip and ended up in Tauranga on Friday...Did a road trip and ended up in Tauranga on Friday. Nothing "Good" about it because the place was DEAD!<br /><br />After a walk decided for a quiet drink at Mount Manganui. No sir, no drinks unless I would also eat. Food being of course at the inflated 20% prices thanks to the public holiday.<br /><br />How dare they call it a "Public" holiday if the public is punished with these weird arbitrary laws.<br /><br />It was heartening to find that I was no alone in my quest for a drink without being hauled over a barrel. Many others roamed from bar to bar to find a place to buy a beer.<br /><br />In the end a tiny unlicensed restaurant was happy to serve me a drink which I rewarded later by dining there (For normal prices of course)<br /><br />You never realise how incredibly backward this stupid law is till you actually are exposed to the immediate consequences of this stupidity. I hate christians a little bit more now.Dintherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09444894238003853527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-44957158468670772862011-04-24T17:43:17.971+12:002011-04-24T17:43:17.971+12:00Jesus didn't die on the cross after all. Jesus...Jesus didn't die on the cross after all. Jesus went into a shock induced coma, and probably they (authorities) thought he was dead.<br /><br /><b>BBC Four</b>: <i>If Jesus was revived in this way where then did he go?</i><br /><br /><b>Richard Denton</b>: <i>One story is that he gets out and goes to the South of France with Mary Magdalene, there is a certain amount of evidence that she went there. And the other is that he goes to India and there are a number of versions of this. One of which suggests that in fact he had already been to India during the missing years between 12 and 29.</i><br /><br /><br />Source : <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/did-jesus-die-interview.shtml" rel="nofollow">Did Jesus died on the cross?</a> (BBC Interview)<br /><br />There are also other stories on the net which say that Mary Magdalene and Jesus were actually lovers. In public Jesus acted in a way the public perceived him as a virgin, however in private, he fucked Mary Magdalene on a regular basis.Dirty Mindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-7506017632042914262011-04-24T12:14:17.598+12:002011-04-24T12:14:17.598+12:00It's all about the resurrection?
Really?
Who...It's all about the resurrection?<br /><br />Really?<br /><br />Who are you kidding.<br /><br /><a href="http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2011/04/good-friday-night-free-for-all.html" rel="nofollow">Good Xian folk LOVE the torture</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://pc.blogspot.com/2006/05/paris-hilton-or-mother-teresa.html" rel="nofollow">Good Xian LOVe the suffering</a>.<br /><br />It's the thing that unites the crusaders against abortion (a hatred of sex plus a love of suffering) with the crusaders against voluntary euthanasia (<a href="http://pc.blogspot.com/2008/05/barbarism-hurts-dying-and-living.html" rel="nofollow">a hatred of human choice plus a love of suffering</a>).<br /><br />The total, evil, vicious bastards,Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-4796991756570289682011-04-23T23:25:20.881+12:002011-04-23T23:25:20.881+12:00Sam... You are joking, surely...?Sam... You are joking, surely...?Dave Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264331694328629975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-51965629429020680642011-04-23T19:12:43.427+12:002011-04-23T19:12:43.427+12:00changing Eoster Sunday's status so that it is ...<i>changing Eoster Sunday's status so that it is a public holiday?</i><br /><br />Of course not. Rationalization of employment law will ensure that Eoster Sunday is just like any other day. <br /><br />The whole idea of "Public Holidays" is - necessarily - communist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-91559523859019035172011-04-23T14:18:40.418+12:002011-04-23T14:18:40.418+12:00Easter is one of the most memorable religious/pub...Easter is one of the most memorable religious/public holidays in my childhood years. In fact Easter is more like a Christmas day in the Pacific Islands. Its a day for feast and I remembered that my family always had 2 pigs killed for 'umu (ie, hangi), one pig for Easter Good Friday afternoon lunch & the other one for Easter Sunday Resurrection feast. People go to the church service on Easter Friday morning (usually from 11 am to 12 pm), then after that everyone goes home to a nice feast of pig umu.<br /><br />By the time I was old enough (my high school years), I was exempted from attending the Friday Easter service, since I have to stay back home and prepare the pig and the umu. Vegetables (taro/yam/cassava) go into the umu, while I sat there by an open fire roasting the pig (spit roast) for 3 hours. It was always an aim to get it cooked by the time the church service ended at 12pm, the pig would be ready by then.<br /><br />I remembered that our home was always full of people coming to join us for Easter Friday afternoon feast. Since my dad was the local church minister in the village, the homeless (well mainly young men who got kicked out from their homes by their parents or relatives for being too lazy to go farming) have always been welcomed in our home, when they came seeking food.<br /><br />Those were the days of what I used to do on Easter holidays from my childhood years.Falafulu Fisinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-62107161631913720742011-04-23T13:13:53.748+12:002011-04-23T13:13:53.748+12:00Became interested in Christian teachings after wat...Became interested in Christian teachings after watching Da Vinci Code on TV. <br /><br />As books are often different to the movie could someone let me know what book of the bible the Da Vinci Code is in? ThanksSimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-11919260009722100872011-04-23T09:53:32.709+12:002011-04-23T09:53:32.709+12:00I read somewhere on the net that some scholars hav...I read somewhere on the net that some scholars have written that Jesus was in fact not sacrificed on the cross as the bible stated but he fled from the Roman's authorities to Southern France and got married or lived with a woman there till he died of old age. <br /><br />If that story was true, then Jesus was a fuck'n horny bastards.Dirty Mindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-7799843282644724312011-04-22T17:32:49.645+12:002011-04-22T17:32:49.645+12:00Yes Peter, but its even worse than the way you des...Yes Peter, but its even worse than the way you describe it, because this idiotic religion teaches its drones that a) humanity is born in a state of 'original sin' and b) the only way to wipe these sins away is to acknowledge this Jesus character as your 'saviour' and thats all you have to do! Fuck... this is seriously sick shit. This is irrational and a perversion of sane human values. How did so many people get sucked into this crap for so long? <br /><br />@ Sam. Sorry if you think I'm being rude.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162036871479638750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-83172864091712655292011-04-22T13:30:50.256+12:002011-04-22T13:30:50.256+12:00@MacDoctor, George, Chris et al:
There is nothin...@MacDoctor, George, Chris et al: <br /><br />There is nothing in the Resurrection Myth unique to Christianity. Many cult leaders have been "seen" by their followers after their deaths. Many myths are told about death and rebirth--and many subjects of these myths have been worshipped as gods or prophets.<br /><br />Indeed, the very subject of rebirth and regeneration is right there in the pagan myths that first formed the celebration of new life and fertility that was the original pagan Easter Festival that the early Christians usurped.<br /><br />And there is certainly nothing historically certain or even clear about the resurrection accounts of the murdered Rabbi called Jesus (as I say above, I invite you to <a href="http://ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/stone.php" rel="nofollow">take the Easter Challenge</a> to tell us all PRECISELY what happened on Easter).<br /><br />The early Apostles who wrote the only accounts of this miracle are themselves hopelessly confused. Did the resurrection involve the resuscitation of a corpse? (Paul at least didn't think so.) If not, where did it go? <br /><br />Where did the resurrected Jesus first appear? In Galilee? Yes, says Matthew. On the road to Emmaeus? Yes, says Luke. In a room in Jersualem? Yes, says John. They can't all be right, can they.<br /><br />And to whom did he first appear? They're all over the map on this one too. Was it the two Marys, as Matthew says? To Mary Magdalene herself, as Mark and John assert? To Cleopas, as Luke recounts? Or to Cephas, as Paul says?<br /><br />And where did this resurrected corpse (or non-corpse) tell his friends to meet him? In Jerusalem, says Luke. No, in Galilee, say Mark and Matthew.<br /><br />Thomas Paine insists that outrageous claims require outrageous proofs. It's a fair point. Yet the only "proof" of this outrageous "miracle" on which the whole un-superstructure of the church is based is these hopelessly confused accounts. There's barely enough on which to base a good Saturday afternoon drinking session, let alone a reason to get out of bed the next morning for wine and crackers--not to mention no reason at all to impose a two-thousand-year-long guilt-ridden yoke on all humanity.<br /><br />And there's nothing in the account of the corpse's disapearance that can't be explained by simple reason. The corpse was likely not there in the tomb for the very same reason that Hitler's corpse was quelty removed and "never found": Because the authorities did not wish to have the tomb of either become a focus for cult-worship. (In the latter case, making sure it was thoroughly burnt and destroyed and locked up in a filing cabinet in Magdeburg was enough. In the former case, taking the corpse and leaving the tomb open was perhaps the best way to make clear to any of the dead man's followers that his body was gone. Leaving behind a messenger to tell everyone to go Galilee was probably a uniquely devious master stroke--the ideal way by which the master mind (Caiaphas?) could get the trouble-maker's followers the hell out of Jerusalem, and troublig someone else.)<br /><br />There is nothing in the myth itself, not at least the healthy, non-morbid part, that wasn't there in the early pagan myths themselves. On top of the stories celebrating the physical coming of a new year, a new spring, a newly fertile cycle of life, we have the idea of a casting off of ourselves into something new (nothing wrong with that), of returning to our true values (nothnig wrong with that either).<br /><br />But in the Christian Myth, this new life and new recommitment to values comes only with the appetiser of torture and the added sauce of bloodshed--and lot's of it. Because you can't have your Resurrection Myth without your Crucifixion. And it also comes with a lurid main course teaching that suffering and sacrifice are the means (somehow) to new life.<br /><br />What a sorry bloody story it all is--with and without the alleged Resurection.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-63946883409167249362011-04-22T12:51:53.442+12:002011-04-22T12:51:53.442+12:00'Polite and intelligent' with regard to le...'Polite and intelligent' with regard to leaving a comment - as instructed above - seem to pass you by, Dave Mann. Civility costs nothing. More, the alternative actively discourages discourse, a point still lost on many bloggers.<br /><br />1. "Christians who assert the focus, etc" is a nonsensical comment in itself, inasmuchas Christianity, by definition, is based on the resurrection of Christ. In other words, those who disbelieve (that) are not of the Christian faith, period.<br /><br />2. Re "mental fantasy"/"psychotic illness" and all that, you ignore the facts. <br /><br />Christ existed. He was a revolutionary who didn't like that the religion (and political power base) of the day had become formulaic as opposed to being practically concerned with making life better - something we all do for ourselves and dependents unless we don't give a shit - and corrupt. He openly said so, which didn't win many friends with those in charge. He had women in his entourage which was unusual at that time. <br /><br />The vileness and barbarity of crucifixion as a form of punishment was not uncommon then, so hardly cherry-picked for the man himself. True, they didn't usually use nails, but I guess the grey ones wanted to make a point. Christ was, after all, a serious pain in their arses. <br /><br />He chose (yes, chose - as in free will) to go through with the whole thing. PC rails against the concept of sacrifice - and I've never bought the whole "He died for us" crap either - but what of the brave souls who choose to go to war, for example, knowing that they may pay the ultimate price. They're willing to take that risk because it's important to them.<br /><br />(It's Anzac Day on Monday. PC has posted more than once an excellent piece on the horror of war of which sacrifice for something perceived to be important is a fundamental - like it or not). <br /><br />Enlightenment? Get your head out of past centuries and stop equating current Christianity with those pricks. When has a friend or colleague with Christian beliefs ever fucked with your freedom? And don't quote the non-trading laws to me because that has jackshit to do with Christianity - and everything to do with state power. Those bastards will happily use any excuse to extend their power.<br /><br />Historically, individuals have created movements that gathered followers for better or worse. Whether one believes in the Divinity of Christ is a matter for the individual, but the person himself *existed* and chose a bloody awful fate for something important to him. Individual courage? You bet.<br /><br />Perhaps that's why, a couple of millennia later, billions of adherents still acknowledge that.<br /><br />Having said all that, free will automatically allows you to ignore/disagree as you wish. :)<br /><br />There's just no need to be rude about it.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-81820413023917022632011-04-22T11:40:31.517+12:002011-04-22T11:40:31.517+12:00Christians who assert that the focus is on the res...Christians who assert that the focus is on the ressurrection rather than the hideous tortured death dipicted in this perverted fantasy are barking, frankly, because their whole argument is based on their belief in this fellow being the 'son of god' (whatever that implies) and all the counterintuitive contradictions which go with this idiotic package.<br /><br />The people who thought up this nasty introverted twisted crap must have been really sick and there is nothing in their religion which could stand up to even the most rudimentary rational analysis by a sane mind. But this mental pus gradually mutated over centuries as more people and 'saints' developed pieces of the 'story' through 'revelations' etc - it didn't just spring out of thin air. So a compelling conclusion is that Christanity is the product of a culture which glorifies ignorance, fear and guilt above rationality, individual courage and enlightenment. <br /><br />Singly, mental illness and psychotic fantasy are not uncommon in any culture of course, but I find it both macabre and fascinating that this perversion of thought should have gripped such a huge proportion of humanity for two thousand years. That's really wierd. What does this say about the mental processes of its adherents?Dave Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15264331694328629975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-51543016179645211472011-04-22T08:26:38.845+12:002011-04-22T08:26:38.845+12:00Well-written and thought-provoking. While I disag...Well-written and thought-provoking. While I disagree with your blanket disregard for the Christian aspect of the season (ie its focus on resurrection as opposed to horrific death), I remain opposed to the nonsensical non-trading laws.<br /><br />"No wonder the religionists see nothing to apologise for today when priests quietly sacrifice young children to their own misbegotten lusts." <br /><br />Unfair and untrue in its blatant collectivism. Unworthy, I would have thought, of a true proponent of individual freedom.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-41629662579882417192011-04-22T07:32:44.055+12:002011-04-22T07:32:44.055+12:00Ahm..Peter, Apollonius of Tyana died in 100AD and ...Ahm..Peter, Apollonius of Tyana died in 100AD and there is no convincing evidence that others believed in his "resurrection". Do you make stuff up for the fun of it?<br /><br />James...unlike the quakery that is homeopathy, a patient is not required to subscribe to the good MacDoctor's faith in Christ to be treated. And like every other believer, MacDoctor would be highly sceptical if someone came to his practice asking for a cure for dead flesh.<br /><br />NotPC, its hard to see how the formidable Christian terror that you speak of has not allowed you to read Ayn Rand, become and architect, write eloquently about art and architecture (which you do very well), plot incessantly for the Libertarianz and rail electronically continually against a God you seem to have destroyed. Yes, you have been oppressed. My commiserations and Happy Easter. <br /><br />Chris PembertonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-36233130548289232512011-04-22T04:54:58.542+12:002011-04-22T04:54:58.542+12:00So MacDoctor...a state registared physician practi...So MacDoctor...a state registared physician practising here in NZ holds the belief that dead flesh can reanimate in complete contradiction to all human medical knowledge thus far attained.<br /><br />And yet he has the gall to call homoeopathy quackery.....mmmmmm.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-69334093347101584352011-04-22T00:49:02.508+12:002011-04-22T00:49:02.508+12:00@Bizarro # 1:
Libz would support any move to allo...@Bizarro # 1:<br /><br />Libz would support any move to allow free trade on Easter Sunday ... or any other Sunday.<br /><br />We also support separation of religion from the state, and would push for an end to compulsory religious holidays.Richard McGrathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-77777292047784553532011-04-21T17:18:46.724+12:002011-04-21T17:18:46.724+12:00Christ was who he said he was the son of God--or h...Christ was who he said he was the son of God--or he was a liar or deluded.<br />He taught that he would bear man's sin and be put to death--not easy to verify anything but the death <br />He preached that he would rise from the dead after three days--those that witnessed it wrote about it.<br />Those that read those accounts have a choice--admit it as the truth or dismiss it.<br />Those of us that confess it take seriously all else that is written of Jesus.<br /><br />Rising from the dead is the clincher. Easter is the celebration of life over death.<br /> 'if Christ rose not from the dead we are the most foolish of men'--Paul. <br /><br />But I'm convinced he did.<br /><br />GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-10003744542546218022011-04-21T16:25:17.526+12:002011-04-21T16:25:17.526+12:00Where would Easter be without the Peter Creswell R...Where would Easter be without the Peter Creswell Rant? As usual, you miss the entire point of Easter, which is not the cross - merely a particularly nasty form of Roman execution - but the resurrection. Without the latter, the cross is as meaningless as you suggest. <br /><br />Of course, that is hardly helpful to someone like yourself, who reject all forms of the supernatural. Nevertheless, I wish you a blessed Easter - whether you want one or not!<br /><br />:-)MacDoctorhttp://www.macdoctor.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-55450886375230634952011-04-21T16:10:03.221+12:002011-04-21T16:10:03.221+12:00Apollonius of Tyana was also said to have been cru...Apollonius of Tyana was also said to have been crucified and arise from the dead, before the carpenter's son did his party trick. Unsure if Apollonius was a 112th victim of god, but escaped mention. Maybe institute Easter kebabs in his honour?<br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-91775900440709148282011-04-21T16:00:29.690+12:002011-04-21T16:00:29.690+12:00Because I'm interested in this sort of edge ca...Because I'm interested in this sort of edge case: would you support changing Easter Sunday's status so that it is a public holiday? That would remove the ban on trading, but would introduce various other things, so I'm wondering if you think that the net result would be to "increase freedom" or not (which iirc is the party's litmus test for whether it would support any particular piece of legislation).Bizarro #1noreply@blogger.com