tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post3814949486170655734..comments2024-03-29T10:51:27.752+13:00Comments on Not PC: Nanny Turia takes a leaf from Nanny Palmer’s playbook to make tobacco leaf more expensive [update 5]Peter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-48673430678183440552010-04-29T23:15:54.554+12:002010-04-29T23:15:54.554+12:00Anonymous fool. Crims by definition have already i...Anonymous fool. Crims by definition have already initiated force, as have bludgers. Unionists may or may not.<br /><br />Besides, all other parties support initiating force against peaceful people by explicitly having such policies.Libertyscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741049550997300680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-4643319715699629432010-04-29T18:32:41.771+12:002010-04-29T18:32:41.771+12:00This government removed the ban on junk food in sc...This government removed the ban on junk food in schools because it said that it was better that children were educated so they could make informed discissions on what they eat – if they are so confident it would work for children who can only buy whatever junk they sell at the tuck shop then why wouldn’t this work for adults.Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00802829152245899715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-28450143372466764782010-04-29T16:16:17.053+12:002010-04-29T16:16:17.053+12:00The best anti-smoking campaign is this: let smoker...<i>The best anti-smoking campaign is this: let smokers bear the full and true cost of their habit (asthma inhalers, oxygen tanks etc.). They will find that smoking is a lot less attractive than it is when everyone else in the country is paying for the consequences of their addiction.</i><br /><br />I think you'll find that even in countries where this is the case, it does not act as deterrent. Hell I know people who lost a father to lung cancer and still smoke a packet a day.Dolfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-59059130415577577532010-04-29T15:32:39.389+12:002010-04-29T15:32:39.389+12:00Re stockpiling (update #1):
this law is intended ...Re stockpiling (update #1):<br /><br />this law is intended to tell the proles - sorry, the lower socio-economic groups - that 'smoking is bad for you, children' (hence the 24% tax rise for loose tobacco). Those people rarely have the funds or the inclination to stockpile before a price increase.<br /><br />As I said in my post <i>The best anti-smoking campaign is this: let smokers bear the full and true cost of their habit (asthma inhalers, oxygen tanks etc.). They will find that smoking is a lot less attractive than it is when everyone else in the country is paying for the consequences of their addiction.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-76711362646851092262010-04-29T14:57:47.700+12:002010-04-29T14:57:47.700+12:00Richard McGrath quoted : What will be next – a tax...Richard McGrath quoted : <i>What will be next – a tax on couches and TV sets because the government thinks people should get out of their lounges more often? A tax on large sizes of clothing because Nanny thinks too many people are fat?</i><br /><br />Haha, that tax on clothing will definitely affect fatass MPs such as Gerry Brownlee and Parekura Horomia. C'mon politicians, tax those fat motherfuckers.Kurtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-88281152216883703532010-04-29T14:36:59.856+12:002010-04-29T14:36:59.856+12:00Supply refers to the Annual Budget.
I don't t...Supply refers to the Annual Budget.<br /><br />I don't think this tax was part of the budget therefore it is not part of the confidence and supply agreement.<br /><br />ACT must vote in favour of the budget made by Cabinet and also vote in confidence of the Prime Minister.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-29186581027367766052010-04-29T14:12:07.336+12:002010-04-29T14:12:07.336+12:00@ Blair
"A vote on tax is a supply/confidenc...@ Blair<br /><br />"A vote on tax is a supply/confidence issue, which ACT have pledged to support the government on." <br /><br />If this is a supply/confidence issue (the raising of tax), why then did four ACT MPs vote against it? <br /><br />If it was not a confidence and supply issue, why then did one ACT MP vote for a tax increase?<br /><br />JulianJulianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105977816595973510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-16609047112238432432010-04-29T13:36:06.785+12:002010-04-29T13:36:06.785+12:00The extreme urgency is a good indicator of
-the l...The extreme urgency is a good indicator of <br />-the lack of depth of skills in parliament. Very few have had a proper job for long if at all, therefore don't understand the pressure they put on retailers to recalculate a new price and change their systems and pricing databases to reflect it<br />- and the fact that even if they did realise, they don't give a fuck about inconveniencing people anyway. Most think that's what they are there for.twrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312229399327994398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-58281914637713178032010-04-29T13:16:37.296+12:002010-04-29T13:16:37.296+12:00A vote on tax is a supply/confidence issue, which ...A vote on tax is a supply/confidence issue, which ACT have pledged to support the government on. If they vote against, they are saying they no longer have confidence in the government. That's a big step. They have to decide whether they can achieve more by pissing on the tent from outside or being in the inside pissing out.<br /><br />Either way, they are pissing around.Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865567065778234500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-80467888298245619312010-04-29T12:56:27.143+12:002010-04-29T12:56:27.143+12:00@Julian: There are non-drinkers of alcohol?! I...@Julian: There are <i>non</i>-drinkers of alcohol?! I'm outraged!<br /><br />;^)<br /><br />BTW:, it's now over three hours since Julian made his first challenge--for an ACT supporter (or an ACT MP) to explain how an ACT MP could vote to support a tax increase if ACT - as has been claimed by some - advocates individual freedom and lower taxes?<br /><br />Come on now. We all know you're reading.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-4147349414185529352010-04-29T12:49:26.496+12:002010-04-29T12:49:26.496+12:00@MichelleR
The membership of the Libertarianz is ...@MichelleR<br /><br />The membership of the Libertarianz is diverse. There are athiests, christians, Hindu, agnostics, asians, Americans, British, Australians, Maori New Zealanders, non Maori New Zealanders, vegetarians, meateaters, vegans, afficionados of classical music, afficionados of rock music, heterosexuals, homosexuals, members who own guns, members who do not own guns, drinkers of alcohol, non-drinkers of alcohol, followers of rugby, of AFL, of soccer, lecturers, bankers, mothers, teachers etc<br /><br />You get the picture. <br /><br />But despite this diversity (which is of no relevance to the Libertarianz), there is one principle that all advocate, and that is on the political level: The non-initiation of force principle. <br /><br />And we actually mean it. Passionately and without compromsise.<br /><br />JulianJulianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105977816595973510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-61524289312681374082010-04-29T12:12:02.166+12:002010-04-29T12:12:02.166+12:00'Sitting under urgency' just means 'we...'Sitting under urgency' just means 'we wanna ram this law through', just as they did with the anti-smacking law.<br /><br /><a href="http://mandenomusings.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/tobacco-tax-increase/" rel="nofollow">Tobacco tax increase</a><br /><br /><br />Peter, this might interest you:<br /><a href="http://mandenomusings.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/bail-conditions-affect-entire-population/" rel="nofollow">Bail conditions affect entire population</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-13335291810054712032010-04-29T11:21:01.708+12:002010-04-29T11:21:01.708+12:00Michelle - join the Libz if you agree with our lim...Michelle - join the Libz if you agree with our limited government views by all means. We don't mind if you have a religious faith, as long as you embrace the non-initiation of force principle.Richard McGrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11485082980018421590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-67072113714434140892010-04-29T10:53:09.082+12:002010-04-29T10:53:09.082+12:00Michelle R - Any interest in a new political party...Michelle R - Any interest in a new political party that will never sit in parliament, never have an MP, never steal your money from you?<br /><br />I'm thinking a protest party, instead of not voting and so giving the present bunch of morans (:)) the idea that everyone who does vote really, really likes their lying stealing ways you still vote but it is for a party who's manifesto prohibits it from ever being in parliament.<br /><br />It makes no difference to the "mainstream" parties but your protest vote still gets heard.<br /><br />What do people think?singulariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-6343853193469755422010-04-29T10:48:07.546+12:002010-04-29T10:48:07.546+12:00@ MichelleR: I suppose I'm part of that "...@ MichelleR: I suppose I'm part of that "Objectivist faction" who's in Libertarianz (although not a very active member). Speaking for myself, you'd be very welcome if you uphold Libz ideals. And I'd be surprised if any of my fellow 'faction' thought otherwise.<br /><br />It's a political party formed for a specific purpose, not a philosophy club. We don't have to agree on everything.MarkThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199883270652041621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-5688410206108089882010-04-29T10:39:50.711+12:002010-04-29T10:39:50.711+12:00Expect more dairy owners to get shot, stabbed, and...Expect more dairy owners to get shot, stabbed, and bashed.Bernard Darntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13021986008150954544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-30404258892382900122010-04-29T10:32:13.725+12:002010-04-29T10:32:13.725+12:00Lindsay, a commenter on your blog mentioned that A...Lindsay, a commenter on your blog mentioned that ACT socialist MP, John Boscawen voted for it. This is fuckn' pathetic Mr. Boscawen? Stand for the National party as a candidate in the next election, because in fact, you're a cheerleader for being nanny .MichelleRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-76190282108644570912010-04-29T10:08:14.916+12:002010-04-29T10:08:14.916+12:00That's it for me. Next election I won't vo...That's it for me. Next election I won't vote at all, since all politicians are fuckn' liars. Adios Rodney and ACT. They promised one thing and then do the opposite when they get to Parliament. I may entertain the idea of joining the Libz, but then again, I am a Christian, which I doubt very much that I would feel comfortable being told by objectivist faction of the party that my religious belief contradicts Libz ideologies.<br /><br />Perhaps, I can try something different by voting for Winston Peters.MichelleRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-84471269099641442392010-04-29T10:03:21.550+12:002010-04-29T10:03:21.550+12:00Every day my disgust with this govt deepens.Every day my disgust with this govt deepens.Lindsay Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-55834748711970144962010-04-29T10:00:50.018+12:002010-04-29T10:00:50.018+12:00Well said PC. Rodney Hide was interviewed on Newst...Well said PC. Rodney Hide was interviewed on Newstalkm ZB and did a good job of stressing the Nanny angle which the gummint have taken on this issue.<br /><br />Libz press release is in the pipeline.Richard McGrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11485082980018421590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-11457947583691796562010-04-29T09:46:24.431+12:002010-04-29T09:46:24.431+12:00They claim that they wish to stop people smoking w...They claim that they wish to stop people smoking with this move, but then spread the increase over three installments. If they actually wanted to make people stop, rather than just rorting them for it, they'd do the whole increase at once. I imagine a 30% hike in one hit would actually motivate some people to stop. (I'm not saying they should, I'm just saying it's evidence that they're lying about their reasons).twrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312229399327994398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-88244602863351444722010-04-29T09:40:37.632+12:002010-04-29T09:40:37.632+12:00Could an ACT apologist please explain to me how an...Could an ACT apologist please explain to me how an ACT MP could support a tax increase if ACT - as has been claimed by some - advocates individual freedom and lower taxes?<br /><br />JulianJulianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105977816595973510noreply@blogger.com