tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post116482825248547237..comments2024-03-29T10:51:27.752+13:00Comments on Not PC: ThiefPeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164933197223364462006-12-01T13:33:00.000+13:002006-12-01T13:33:00.000+13:00What's the big issue with stealing? I take a util...What's the big issue with stealing? I take a utilitarian attitude to it - he did the public of New Zealand a favour. <BR/><BR/>We're lucky we have people like Hager amongst us providing a bit of juicy truth to debate. ;)Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164919234623041762006-12-01T09:40:00.000+13:002006-12-01T09:40:00.000+13:00"Is this a National Party site?"Hahahahahaha. Oh ...<I>"Is this a National Party site?"</I><BR/><BR/>Hahahahahaha. Oh stop it, you're killing me.<BR/><BR/><I>"The e-mails were of course leaks, not stolen goods."</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps you don't have a dictionary anywhere near you, PW, so let me help you:<BR/><BR/>"<B>Steal</B>, <I>v.t.</I> to take away without right or permission, to take feloniously; to secure covertly or by surprise; to secure insidiously."<BR/><BR/>Hager is a recipient of stolen goods.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164871028080175622006-11-30T20:17:00.000+13:002006-11-30T20:17:00.000+13:00Is this a National Party site?The e-mails were of ...Is this a National Party site?<BR/><BR/>The e-mails were of course leaks, not stolen goods. <BR/><BR/>Obviously some National Party folk were sufficiently ashamed of what was going on to spread the word.<BR/><BR/>The discussion should surely be on the CONTENTS of the email, not the method we came to hear of them. They paint a damning picture - and have put National Party to shame.<BR/><BR/>A few hours ago, Don Brash retired from Parliament after being asked to consider his future. He will shuffle away, with Exclusive Brethrens and wealthy backers from outside the party hopefully following him.<BR/><BR/>PWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164857140040222362006-11-30T16:25:00.000+13:002006-11-30T16:25:00.000+13:00What is it we are so clueless about then? If you a...What is it we are so clueless about then? If you are so knowledgeful why not full us in? :-)<BR/><BR/>As said, said, "An insult followed by a bland assertion. Why would anyone take your criticism seriously?"<BR/><BR/>I agree with that Sean! Why don't you try actually offering an argument instead of a baseless comment. You need a base, i.e. an argument, for a comment to be worthwhile. And just to clarify for you what an argument is, since I have to wonder if you know, I will quote Monty Python, "An argument is a series of statements intended to establish a proposition." You failed to do that.<BR/><BR/><I>What a fuckin hypocrite.M</I><BR/><BR/>Indeed!Kane Buncehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704180687328220148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164854037381630032006-11-30T15:33:00.000+13:002006-11-30T15:33:00.000+13:00Steve said... What a pack of plonkers. None ...Steve said...<BR/><BR/> What a pack of plonkers.<BR/><BR/> None of you have a clue! <BR/><BR/><BR/>An insult followed by a bland assertion. Why would anyone take your criticism seriously?<BR/><BR/>Sean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164853444769997732006-11-30T15:24:00.000+13:002006-11-30T15:24:00.000+13:00Nicky Hager, is against the : #1)Waihopai listenin...Nicky Hager, is against the : <BR/><BR/>#1)Waihopai listening post in the south island. He had demonstrated outside the facility many times with his mate late Rod Donald.<BR/><BR/>#2) Big businesses.<BR/><BR/>First, all the emails, given to him were certain to be intercepted somewhere, perhaps from paliarment's server. He dismisses the good work of the people at Waihopai, as intrusion of privacy by big brother, which is not, because those folks are doing a good job as our first line of defence , BUT whoever intercepted Don's emails and handed to Hager, is regarded by Hager as genuine. <BR/><BR/>Second, he uses the services of big businesses (publishers, bookstores, TV news, newspapers, etc,...) to launch his book.<BR/><BR/>What a fuckin hypocrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164850245362502812006-11-30T14:30:00.000+13:002006-11-30T14:30:00.000+13:00What a pack of plonkers.None of you have a clue!What a pack of plonkers.<BR/><BR/>None of you have a clue!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164849791335944592006-11-30T14:23:00.000+13:002006-11-30T14:23:00.000+13:00Sean, I think you misinterpreted my point. Admitte...Sean, I think you misinterpreted my point. Admittedly, I used bad wording. What I was saying is that consumption creates the need for production, not the other way around. Without consumption there is no need for production. I meant the source of the need, not the action. Sorry about the bad wording.Kane Buncehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704180687328220148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164847404321249552006-11-30T13:43:00.000+13:002006-11-30T13:43:00.000+13:00"Besides production does not create the need for c..."Besides production does not create the need for consumption. That is backwards. Consumption creates the need for production. Since demand creates consumption, the ultimate source of production is demand."<BR/><BR/>This is Keynesian economics Kane. You are throughly confused. If you wish to defend capitalism (and one should), then at least do it coherently. A bad defense is worse than no defense.<BR/><BR/>Sean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164839060684144762006-11-30T11:24:00.000+13:002006-11-30T11:24:00.000+13:00That sort of double standards coming from him does...That sort of double standards coming from him doesn't surprise me.<BR/><BR/>Steve, how can you love a thief? A thief is anti-life and deserves hate and only hate.<BR/><BR/><I>And anyway, truth has nothing to do with it.</I><BR/>Sadly, yes, though it should.<BR/><BR/><I>As McLaren said, "Stealing things is a glorious occupation, particulary in the art world". </I><BR/>No, stealing, as I said, is anti-life, which has no place in art.<BR/><BR/>The <I>only</I> glorious thing in art is pro-life, right, PC?<BR/><BR/><I>Good on Hagar, he is a product of our time - if he did'nt exist, (excuse the cliche) it would be necessary to create him.</I><BR/>No he violated property rights, so bad on him. There is no "need" to create thieves. There is a need to remove then from normal society (i.e., imprison them).<BR/><BR/><I>He embodies Marx's twist on late-capitalism's production - production creates the need for consumption of the products it creates.</I><BR/>Marx's beliefs were not a flavour of capitalism. The were a flavour of socialism. Capitalism is more than just an economic system, it is a political system, the only one that recognises the rights of individuals as inviolate.<BR/><BR/>Besides production does <I>not</I> create the need for consumption. That is backwards. Consumption creates the need for production. Since demand creates consumption, the ultimate source of production is demand.Kane Buncehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704180687328220148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164834750946356512006-11-30T10:12:00.000+13:002006-11-30T10:12:00.000+13:00"And anyway, truth has nothing to do with it..."Ma...<I>"And anyway, truth has nothing to do with it..."</I><BR/><BR/>Many a true word, etc.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1164834530015680902006-11-30T10:08:00.000+13:002006-11-30T10:08:00.000+13:00I both love and hate Hagar, his timing is impeccab...I both love and hate Hagar, his timing is impeccable, his self-promoting marketing couldn't be bettered by Satchi, and he has the ability to topple political parties with mere hype. <BR/><BR/>He plays the media like nintendo. <BR/><BR/>He's NZ's answer to Malcolm McLaren, a rude brazen punk with little regard for the media, politicians, the public or the truth. <BR/><BR/>And anyway, truth has nothing to do with it. <BR/><BR/>In a world where the public gobble up any and all shite dished up to them by the braindead media - they deserve Hagar.<BR/><BR/>As McLaren said, "Stealing things is a glorious occupation, particulary in the art world". <BR/><BR/>Good on Hagar, he is a product of our time - if he did'nt exist, (excuse the cliche) it would be necessary to create him. <BR/><BR/>He embodies Marx's twist on late-capitalism's production - production creates the need for consumption of the products it creates.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.com