tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post116302924549468834..comments2024-03-22T11:55:50.335+13:00Comments on Not PC: Doom, gloom and fumePeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163454239074556122006-11-14T10:43:00.000+13:002006-11-14T10:43:00.000+13:00Oh and James. You'd like this.http://www.youtube....Oh and James. You'd like this.<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdkSir Arthur Streeb-Greeblinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07089215385939482882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163403391071242152006-11-13T20:36:00.000+13:002006-11-13T20:36:00.000+13:00Oh excellent. As an acquintance of mine used to s...Oh excellent. As an acquintance of mine used to say, "I have never met a person who both understood evolution and managed to refute it"<BR/><BR/>Looks like Berend will be another case of this.Sir Arthur Streeb-Greeblinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07089215385939482882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163232932534040002006-11-11T21:15:00.000+13:002006-11-11T21:15:00.000+13:00PS: Sean, you are welcome to deduct marks for punc...PS: Sean, you are welcome to deduct marks for punctuation and grammar - I haven't proof checked my work.<BR/><BR/>LOL! Exactly what I was thinking! Your first sentence alone is so overly complex and unwieldy to leave the question of intellectual errors moot.<BR/><BR/>Without grammar, logic is not possible in the English language. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I assume spelling errors are typos. I made a shocker myself in another thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163191438852610122006-11-11T09:43:00.000+13:002006-11-11T09:43:00.000+13:00Sean said... "Now Class, this is what we call the ...Sean said... <BR/>"Now Class, this is what we call the the Fallacy of the Golden Mean."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sean, to those with more than a lumpen, folk, and/or cursory knowledge of Logic (with a capital L) there is a clear difference between fatuous fuckwittery informed via the juvenille marshalling of informal fallacies against conversational opinion and chat on blog sites and the answering of 1st year philosophy argument and analysis essays. Within which it is clear given your obvious excellence in such subjects, you must have done exceedingly well and we are all very impressed! (hopefully this sufficiently boosts your self-esteem, which if I was a psychologist (which I am not) I would have suspected was the motive behind your comment)<BR/><BR/>However more to the point, my suggestion was informed by the obvious flaw inherent in either two of the extremes. A subtley which it seems you didn't pick up. <BR/><BR/>1. The world is going to end sometime next week.<BR/><BR/>2. The world offers an infinite supply of resources and there are no limits (at all to population growth).<BR/><BR/>The probabilistic spread of "truthful" possibilities I would have to assume Sean (neither am I a mathematician) must lie somewhere between the two (perhaps not although I guess that would be quite improbable) <BR/><BR/>However, "class" if you subscribe to either of these two claims (as opposed to some other alternative) you truely are deluded. Hence, "I suspect the truth lies somewhere between the two" <BR/><BR/>No need to slap me on the wrist with a wet bus ticket for saying "middle" a sop has already done that. <BR/><BR/>peace and love<BR/>steve<BR/><BR/>PS: Sean, you are welcome to deduct marks for punctuation and grammar - I haven't proof checked my work.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163123305878789652006-11-10T14:48:00.000+13:002006-11-10T14:48:00.000+13:00Yes, will take some time to assemble all the quote...Yes, will take some time to assemble all the quotes and check the references.Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163119618584119392006-11-10T13:46:00.000+13:002006-11-10T13:46:00.000+13:00ORGANON at IHUG dot CO dot NZ.But wait until Monda...ORGANON at IHUG dot CO dot NZ.<BR/><BR/>But wait until Monday.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163117839416681622006-11-10T13:17:00.000+13:002006-11-10T13:17:00.000+13:00Thanks for the encouragement pc. What's your email...Thanks for the encouragement pc. What's your email or where do I find it so I can email the fossil record quotes post?Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163113995670498982006-11-10T12:13:00.000+13:002006-11-10T12:13:00.000+13:00Berend, go right ahead. If they're all as good as...Berend, go right ahead. If they're all as good as your comment here, it should be a laugh-riot:<BR/><BR/>BEREND: "I've always wondered why people in the Middle Ages had pictures of creatures we now clearly identify as dinosaurs."<BR/><BR/>:-)Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163113547385566762006-11-10T12:05:00.000+13:002006-11-10T12:05:00.000+13:00James, need a confirmation from PC that he will my...James, need a confirmation from PC that he will my post on the site :-)<BR/><BR/>As on dinosaurs, I'm not sure what you mean. What's the sneaking? I've always wondered why people in the Middle Ages had pictures of creatures we now clearly identify as dinosaurs.<BR/><BR/>Obviously if we find a human foot print and a dinosaur foot print together, there is been contamination, because that can't be true.<BR/><BR/>And isn't it a bit annoying that dinosaur bones smell so strongly after those millions of years of decay? That stretchy tissue has been found in their bones, leading the main researcher to claim she found blood cells. Why not, just been dead for tens of millions of years.Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163106125573773892006-11-10T10:02:00.000+13:002006-11-10T10:02:00.000+13:00Michael Fasher - in some senses you are correct ho...Michael Fasher - in some senses you are correct however there is this little problem called entropy. <BR/><BR/>So far we haven't found much of a useful purpose for the CO2 and heat (for example) that is "conserved matter and energy" that results from burning fossil fuels. <BR/><BR/>You are right - mined metals etc, don't really disappear. I suspect in years to come we will be mining land fill to reclaim alot of the stuff we wasted over the last 100 years. <BR/><BR/>I think we are living in the best times ever. I suspect things won't get a lot better - sure iPod will come out with a new model, and we might be able to continue to get more obsese and drive around in big fuck off SUVs for another 10, 20 years if we are lucky. <BR/><BR/>Enjoy the party while the beer is still flowing.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163102783587634262006-11-10T09:06:00.000+13:002006-11-10T09:06:00.000+13:00fossil evidence, yeah right. Shall I pile up the q...fossil evidence, yeah right. Shall I pile up the quotes from evolutionists having serious doubt about that fossil evidence pc?"<BR/><BR/>Go for it Berend....and while you are at it please explain those pesky Dinosaur skeletons that keep being dug up all over the show....when in the last "6'000 years " did God sneak those in without us knowing...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163096302125974922006-11-10T07:18:00.000+13:002006-11-10T07:18:00.000+13:00Now Class, this is what we call the the Fallacy of...Now Class, this is what we call the the Fallacy of the Golden Mean.<BR/><BR/>Sean.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Steve said... <BR/>I suspect the truth lies (obviously) not in the supposed "misanthropic ... doomsayers" claims nor PC's seemingly equally vitriolic misanthropic response (no matter how wrong such claims might have turned out, I doubt very much that misanthropy was the motivating factor), but somewhere in the middle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163061358475863282006-11-09T21:35:00.000+13:002006-11-09T21:35:00.000+13:00sushil yadav said...[Industrial Society Destroys M...sushil yadav said...<BR/>[Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.]<BR/><BR/>Why the f*ck you're using the internet (something pertains ONLY to industrialised society) to make post here. I bet you enjoy that things that is developed & invented by industrialised society. <BR/><BR/>Here is a simple question. Does the internet (which enable you to make post here), destroy your mind?<BR/><BR/>Why don't you go to Afganistan and live in a cave with Osama Bin Laden and completely extract yourself from making contact with civilization. No TV, no car, no phone, etc, etc, and of course NO fuckin INTERNET to post to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163061049284426492006-11-09T21:30:00.000+13:002006-11-09T21:30:00.000+13:00fossil evidence, yeah right. Shall I pile up the q...fossil evidence, yeah right. Shall I pile up the quotes from evolutionists having serious doubt about that fossil evidence pc?Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163060940977163532006-11-09T21:29:00.000+13:002006-11-09T21:29:00.000+13:00sushil yadav said...[... blah, blah, blah, blah, ....sushil yadav said...<BR/>[... blah, blah, blah, blah, ...]<BR/><BR/>PC, I thought that any poster here have to authenticate him/herself by typing the warped image text to avoid the 'SpamBots' posting spam messages, by auto-authentication. It looks like you have been hit by a spambot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163053377509757122006-11-09T19:22:00.001+13:002006-11-09T19:22:00.001+13:00Finite planet sure but the consevation of matter a...Finite planet sure but the consevation of matter and energy principle comes into play,mass energy is never made nor destroyed,just changes into different arrangement of atoms.All the metal ever mined still exists.<BR/>Sea water alone contains over fifty different elements,including almost all the metals,in the future you may extract copper for example out of sea water.Another term that comes to mind is finite but unbounded ,a good example of something finite but unbounded is the earths spherical shape you can go round and round forever and never fall of the edge of the earth well thats kinda like the situation with resourse extraction,but enviromentalist flat earthers think that we will all collectively fall off the edge and run out of gas,iron, copper or whatever.<BR/>Recources dont actualy exist as recources at all without the minds capability to conceave of a use and method of extraction for an inanimate object.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163053354518751372006-11-09T19:22:00.000+13:002006-11-09T19:22:00.000+13:00Finite planet sure but the consevation of matter a...Finite planet sure but the consevation of matter and energy principle comes into play,mass energy is never made nor destroyed,just changes into different arrangement of atoms.All the metal ever mined still exists.<BR/>Sea water alone contains over fifty different elements,including almost all the metals,in the future you may extract copper for example out of sea water.Another term that comes to mind is finite but unbounded ,a good example of something finite but unbounded is the earths spherical shape you can go round and round forever and never fall of the edge of the earth well thats kinda like the situation with resourse extraction,but enviromentalist flat earthers think that we will all collectively fall off the edge and run out of gas,iron, copper or whatever.<BR/>Recources dont actualy exist as recources at all without the minds capability to conceave of a use and method of extraction for an inanimate object.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163045290219370852006-11-09T17:08:00.000+13:002006-11-09T17:08:00.000+13:00I suspect the truth lies (obviously) not in the su...I suspect the truth lies (obviously) not in the supposed "misanthropic ... doomsayers" claims nor PC's seemingly equally vitriolic misanthropic response (no matter how wrong such claims might have turned out, I doubt very much that misanthropy was the motivating factor), but somewhere in the middle. <BR/><BR/>The reductio of the theory of endless substitution which by inference is the typical position of those in disagreement of the "misanthropists" is that eventually "technology (or some other equally mystical force) will provide" infinite resources for free. (man I can't wait for that day)<BR/><BR/>It's tempting to assume, given the advances of science and technology over the previous century or so, that technology will (and can) solve all our problems. <BR/><BR/>This ignores the point that there indeed exists a set of unsolvable problems. The most important and obvious of course being that on a finite planet - exponential population growth is ultimately unsustainable.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163042436758403272006-11-09T16:20:00.000+13:002006-11-09T16:20:00.000+13:00Den, these proclamations were doubtless taken seri...Den, these proclamations were doubtless taken seriously by people in the past. You can imagine the suitably concerned expressions on the faces of those former news anchors. The end of the world is nigh! Shit! Better regulate!<BR/><BR/>Presently, Kate Hawkesby, John Campbell & co do exactly the same night after night. Language like 'could', 'perhaps' and 'might' in relation to doomsday is in plentifully sensationalist supply. <BR/><BR/>And you guys buy it all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163038344607731842006-11-09T15:12:00.000+13:002006-11-09T15:12:00.000+13:00Den, I thought you'd conceded the point long ago, ...Den, I thought you'd conceded the point long ago, <A HREF="http://pc.blogspot.com/2005/09/eaten-by-absurdity.html#112812728977957237" REL="nofollow">way back when those other quotes were first posted</A>, but if you're happy to concede that you and your fellow environmentalists at least don't wish to place human beings below slugs, rocks and mud puddles in the value scale, then I'm happy to admit that not all environmentalism is anti-human.<BR/><BR/>As I have. Often.<BR/><BR/>The perfect summation for me of the correct relationship between man and nature is Frank Lloyd Wright's identification of architecture as "that great inclusive agency by which mankind makes human life more natural and nature more humane."<BR/><BR/>Can we agree on that much?Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163037958293135542006-11-09T15:05:00.000+13:002006-11-09T15:05:00.000+13:00"We can all cherry-pick statements throughout hist...<I>"We can all cherry-pick statements throughout history that, added up, give the general effect we seek to project."</I><BR/><BR/>Den, you're beginning to look like a Creationist refusing to countenance the fossil evidence for evolution. "Ah," they say as the fossil evidence keeps piling up, "but you haven't yet got <I>enough</I> evidence to shake my faith..."Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163037732554535822006-11-09T15:02:00.000+13:002006-11-09T15:02:00.000+13:00The quote from a text book was 'some scientists sa...The quote from a text book was 'some scientists say estimate that the world's known supplies of oil, tin, copper and aluminium will be used up within your lifetime' which sounds alarmist, certainly, but without context is harmless. The majority of these quotes are pretty damn old, and very few of them allude to the deep ecology mindset that PC is so worried by.<BR/><BR/>I had almost forgotten about this, but fair enough: if you have time and inclination PC, how about finding something to back up your theory that modern-day environmentalism is simply a veneered 'deep ecology'? As a self-proclaimed environmentalist, with plenty of other self-proclaimed environmentalist peers, I am perplexed...<BR/><BR/>Environmental advocacy is one thing - 'deep ecology' is a convenient moniker used with clear pejorative intent, and meant to discredit people that value the natural environment - who don't necessarily value the ecosphere over humanity, but simply recognise that is HAS value.<BR/><BR/>I know that you will never recognise intrinsic value in nature PC, and we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. But to tar all environmentalists with such a broad and clumsy stroke is uncalled for.<BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163035682809255592006-11-09T14:28:00.000+13:002006-11-09T14:28:00.000+13:00denmt, what is more environmental mainstream than ...denmt, what is more environmental mainstream than quoting text books and books sold by the millions?<BR/><BR/>It's not that pc quoted from frog blog here.Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163035638480349282006-11-09T14:27:00.000+13:002006-11-09T14:27:00.000+13:00Compared to all that, the Dems in control might no...Compared to all that, the Dems in control might not be so bad. Thanks for cheering me up!Berend de Boerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11433622686361556089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1163033316703867292006-11-09T13:48:00.000+13:002006-11-09T13:48:00.000+13:00Awfully clever PC. We can all cherry-pick statemen...Awfully clever PC. We can all cherry-pick statements throughout history that, added up, give the general effect we seek to project. The original challenge was to provide evidence that the environmental mainstream was motivated by the precepts of 'deep ecology'. <BR/><BR/>Not to show that people say extreme things that sound silly, and have a laugh.<BR/><BR/>DenMTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com