tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post115794245381740525..comments2024-03-30T00:09:27.602+13:00Comments on Not PC: The long, long trail of appeasement , capitulation and deathPeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158084601379159912006-09-13T06:10:00.000+12:002006-09-13T06:10:00.000+12:00If it worked with the Soviet Union it will certain...<I>If it worked with the Soviet Union it will certainly work with Iran.</I><BR/><BR/>The Soviets didn’t have 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven. The Soviets didn’t believe that innocent believers killed in the conflagration would be martyrs too, eligible for all the benefits. <BR/><BR/><I>And if it's Iran your'e referring to, then what "future aggression"? Where's the current aggression?</I><BR/>Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map, supports terrorists, funnels weapons to terror organisations in Iraq and Lebanon, threatens the oil routes, promotes suicide bombings and are generally just not our sort of people. The hostage crisis is also a not too distant memory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158073270571707052006-09-13T03:01:00.000+12:002006-09-13T03:01:00.000+12:00blah said...[the notion of inflicting mass slaught...blah said...<BR/>[the notion of inflicting mass slaughter on Muslims (take a bow, falafulu!)Without so much as a peep from you.]<BR/><BR/>Well, striking a military target is not mass slaughter isn't it? Your kind of reasoning is more similar to Keith Locke. That is don't do anything at all because it will kill an ant. Mr. Locke opposed the US military action in Afghanistan, because there would be civilian deaths. In the history of human conflicts there have always been casualties involved. We're human and we made errors, even the best missile technology and guiding software systems that can be built into tomahawk cruise missiles, there is a small likelihood that it can go wrong. <BR/><BR/>How about you try and compare targeted striking of military facilities with Bin Laden's, Hamas, Hezbolla’s random targeting of civilian population? If you can see the difference, then you have answered your question already. No need for me to post again and debate with you. I want you to tell me if there is a difference, that's all I need to know.<BR/><BR/><BR/>blah said...<BR/>[And frankly, what makes you think that the US can be trusted with nukes any more than Iran could?]<BR/><BR/>Yes, the US can be trusted with nukes because it is not a totalitarian system. Decision to use nuclear weapons must be a consensus of a few including cabinet members, members of the senate armed services comittee, etc, leader of the oppositition party, some senior members of congress, etc.<BR/><BR/>For Iran as a totalitarian system, the decision to use a nuclear weapon is solely in the hands of the Ayatollah Khomeini and no one else. A single person makes the decision, whether it is suicidal or not, everyone must followed. Again, can you spot the difference here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158072826466153742006-09-13T02:53:00.000+12:002006-09-13T02:53:00.000+12:00I was in Dubai on the weekend - supposedly a weste...I was in Dubai on the weekend - supposedly a western looking, moderate Islamic Nation.<BR/><BR/>The Newspaper Banner Headline on the Iranians proposal to suspend enriching Uranium was:<BR/><BR/>"Republicans in trouble: Bush now unable to rally support for November elections."<BR/><BR/>The article didn't mention Bush, the Republicans, or the mid-term elections once.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03143204319427258454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158060983801974952006-09-12T23:36:00.000+12:002006-09-12T23:36:00.000+12:00"At most commentators are suggesting a disproporti..."At most commentators are suggesting a disproportionate violent response to deter further aggression."<BR/><BR/>Given that al-Quaeda and it's offshoots are "non-state actors" to use the popular phrase, how on earth is a disproportionate violent response on a particular state going to deter them? If anything it helps them recruit people. <BR/><BR/>And if it's Iran your'e referring to, then what "future aggression"? Where's the current aggression? <BR/><BR/>Beside's, Sean unwittingly put his finger on an aspect of this whole affair that you seem to be missing. Namely, even if Iran does build a bomb (and it could still be up to ten years away from it), the United States still has tens of thousands of them. It's called deterrence. If it worked with the Soviet Union it will certainly work with Iran.<BR/><BR/>And frankly, what makes you think that the US can be trusted with nukes any more than Iran could?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158054034817894192006-09-12T21:40:00.000+12:002006-09-12T21:40:00.000+12:00If you regard having children as a sacrifice, you ...<I>If you regard having children as a sacrifice, you shouldn't have children.<BR/>Duncan Bayne</I><BR/>…Okaay…how about “ a society unwilling to see the blessings of having enough children to replace themselves” ?<BR/>Yet what family man hasn’t thought about the sacrifices needed in time and money supporting an extra child? You know what I mean. <BR/>Looking at your photo, Duncan you appear quite young, take it from me, sacrifices are required.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158053761448143622006-09-12T21:36:00.000+12:002006-09-12T21:36:00.000+12:00Suggesting a strike on the nuclear facilities in I...Suggesting a strike on the nuclear facilities in Iran is hardly openly salivating at the notion of inflicting mass slaughter on Muslims. When has anyone here ever said anything remotely like, “ we love death…” or “ kill those that mock Islam”,or “ kill the infidels”? At most, commenters are suggesting a disproportionate violent response to deter further aggression.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158048681926233182006-09-12T20:11:00.000+12:002006-09-12T20:11:00.000+12:00I don't think Reagan "capitulated" after the Marin...I don't think Reagan "capitulated" after the Marine barracks were bombed, it was more a case of honestly asking whether whatever the US hoped to achieve in Lebanon at the time (basically, cleaning up Israel's mess) was worth the hassle and concluding that it wasn't. <BR/><BR/>Besides they recovered their mojo by rescuing the free world from the Grenadan threat a little while later.<BR/><BR/>Given how poorly the US military performed when Carter did decide to stop capitulating (Operation Eagle Claw, anyone?), it's open to question whether a more forceful approach from that lot would have worked anyway. Besides, the US was doing plenty about Iran in the 80's by encouraging Saddam Hussein to attack them and then supporting him to the hilt during one of the most bloody and pointless conflicts of modern times. But of course it's "ahem" not PC to mention stuff like that when wer'e discussing the Good Ol' US of A.<BR/><BR/>Joking aside, I find it deeply ironic that you rail (correctly) against the "death worshipping" likes of Bin Laden while the regular contributors to your blog openly salivate at the notion of inflicting mass slaughter on Muslims (take a bow, falafulu!)without so much as a peep from you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158047703856381112006-09-12T19:55:00.000+12:002006-09-12T19:55:00.000+12:00Ruth said...[Yet you can't even take out a library...Ruth said...<BR/>[Yet you can't even take out a library book in the US without the govt knowing about it.]<BR/><BR/>This is an arbitrary claim which must be thrown out completely as there is no evidence at all to support it. I think, Ruth must have been watching the movie 'Conspiracy Theory' starring Mel Gibson & Julia Roberts. In this movie, the CIA tracked certain book titles borrowed from public library and alerted Langley HQ.<BR/><BR/>Ruth, the Conspiracy Theory was a fiction movie. The US government doesn't do that. The public library data is not centralised, therefore they can't track you for what book titles you're loaning.<BR/><BR/>Ruth said...<BR/>[Land of the free my arse.]<BR/><BR/>In fact the US is still the land of the free. Do we have more freedom here in NZ than in the US? Can you give an example?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158041911104762142006-09-12T18:18:00.000+12:002006-09-12T18:18:00.000+12:00"Yet you can't even take out a library book in the..."Yet you can't even take out a library book in the US without the govt knowing about it"<BR/><BR/>You have evidence to support that statement?KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158039804904569082006-09-12T17:43:00.000+12:002006-09-12T17:43:00.000+12:00Summary of this post : All failures can be explain...Summary of this post : <BR/><BR/>All failures can be explained away by saying we just have not killed enough people yet.<BR/><BR/>What escalation? No attacks on US soil in 5 years. Yet you can't even take out a library book in the US without the govt knowing about it. Land of the free my arse. <BR/><BR/>Saying something 1000 times on your blog doesn't make you right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158023167243089632006-09-12T13:06:00.000+12:002006-09-12T13:06:00.000+12:00angloamerican,If you regard having children as a s...angloamerican,<BR/><BR/>If you regard having children as a sacrifice, you shouldn't have children.Duncan Baynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08067439189657560427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1158001865866053822006-09-12T07:11:00.000+12:002006-09-12T07:11:00.000+12:00The West is not the only place where appeasers and...The West is not the only place where appeasers and apologists abound. The Muslim world has continued to provide a place where the terrorists can thrive. The ordinary Moslem has generally done nothing to forestall the rise of Islamic extremism and have often aided and abetted it. When given a helping hand to rise above the squalid thinking of the 7th century they have consistently failed to see the light and have either chosen to do nothing or actively supported terrorist entities. <BR/><BR/>The Middle East has provided the terrorists with a fertile ground of corruption, cowardice, deranged cynicism, religious delusions, death cultism, squalor, fascism and greed. Democratisation was seen as the great hope for the region yet they have used democracy to legitimise terrorist organisations and bring them to power in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories and will do so in Iraq and Egypt and God knows where else.<BR/><BR/>The West has weakened itself by developing a culture where all live as bourgeois coddled princes unwilling to defend what their forebears have built. A society largely unwilling to make sacrifices even as basic as having enough children to replace themselves. There is little hope of an early end or a happy end to this long war. In the long term the contest is more equal than it would first appear. The enemy has great patience and we appear to have none – not a good thing in a long war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1157998469318801912006-09-12T06:14:00.000+12:002006-09-12T06:14:00.000+12:00Amen! A great post.If only the useful idiots would...Amen! A great post.<BR/>If only the useful idiots would wake up and "get it" too.....KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1157982479947068212006-09-12T01:47:00.000+12:002006-09-12T01:47:00.000+12:00Reagan ran from Beirut after the barracks bombing,...Reagan ran from Beirut after the barracks bombing, FF. <BR/><BR/>Great post, PC!Paulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10352412943602159027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1157980733583825992006-09-12T01:18:00.000+12:002006-09-12T01:18:00.000+12:00I thought that Reagan didn't appease the muslim wo...I thought that Reagan didn't appease the muslim world during his presidency. If September 11, occured when he was in office, then muslims would have seen what a proper reaction is like. He would have done something about Iran such as striking the nuclear facilities. He would have given a finger to the UN or to the EU (except UK). Bush should give Iran, the strongest warning, to give up its nuclear program or give in to the tomahawks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com