tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post115620069565528486..comments2024-03-18T17:17:00.423+13:00Comments on Not PC: Breakfast with Wayne - debating the 90-day Probationary Employment BillPeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156290789512679842006-08-23T11:53:00.000+12:002006-08-23T11:53:00.000+12:00"Do you include the Libertarianz in your comments?...<I>"Do you include the Libertarianz in your comments?"</I><BR/><BR/>Blah, I think Anon is right. But by the time people realise we're right about government doing you over, sadly they've already been been done over. :-/<BR/><BR/><I>"Nearly all companies have the 90 day probationary period written into employee contracts - all corporates do, and in my recent research I have discovered most 'blue collar' businesses do as well..."</I><BR/><BR/>Well, your experiences are virtually unique, I'd suggest. None of the employers there yesterday suggested the Bill was unnecessary as you could presently write in a probationary period, and Ruth Dyson who said the law presently allowed you to was told in no uncertain terms by Susan-Jane Davies that "the reference to probationary employment in section 67 of the Employment Relations Act is virtually useless. Nothing in that section prevents employees from raising a personal grievance against their employer for unjustified or constructive dismissal during probation. This means that the existing law fails to provide a genuine probationary period."<BR/><BR/>So perhaps some companies do write in a probationary period, but it's not entirely clear that the Employment Court would support such a thing.<BR/><BR/>"... so why enshrine it into law and tie employers hands? Why would a libertarian support such a thing?"<BR/><BR/>Is this a serious question? <BR/><BR/>First of all, the Bill proposes an <I>optional</I> probationary period.<BR/><BR/>Second, do you really want to know why a libertarian would want to get the government out of the boardroom, even for only ninety days?<BR/><BR/>Are you sure this isn't Ruth <I>Dyson</I> I'm speaking to here?Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156283377241938032006-08-23T09:49:00.000+12:002006-08-23T09:49:00.000+12:00Ruth said "Nearly all companies have the 90 day pr...Ruth said "Nearly all companies have the 90 day probationary period written into employee contracts".<BR/><BR/>I've never seen one in all my years and from my discussions with HR consultants 90-day "probationary periods" are illegal. So there is a need for a law change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156227988994891382006-08-22T18:26:00.000+12:002006-08-22T18:26:00.000+12:00Nearly all companies have the 90 day probationary ...Nearly all companies have the 90 day probationary period written into employee contracts - all corporates do, and in my recent research I have discovered most 'blue collar' businesses do as well - so why enshrine it into law and tie employers hands? <BR/><BR/>Why would a libertarian support such a thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156221445882718782006-08-22T16:37:00.000+12:002006-08-22T16:37:00.000+12:00Anon, Do you include the Libertarianz in your comm...Anon, <BR/><BR/>Do you include the Libertarianz in your comments?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156213822002152372006-08-22T14:30:00.000+12:002006-08-22T14:30:00.000+12:00*Nearly* choked? Bugger.*Nearly* choked? Bugger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156211995713361612006-08-22T13:59:00.000+12:002006-08-22T13:59:00.000+12:00"Incidentally, were they there, PC?"Nope, just the..."Incidentally, were they there, PC?"<BR/><BR/>Nope, just the four pollies, all of whom headed for the planes as soon as breakfast was over.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Sue Bradford got in a good dig as she left. Leaving just as Dyson got up to close, Dyson noticed her and told the crowd she and Bradford were on the same plane. "But I'm driving myself," shot back Bradford.<BR/><BR/>And Rodney got in a few good digs, including beginning his speech by thanking all the taxpayers there for paying all four of the MPs wages, and for Labour's election spending. <BR/><BR/>Former Labour Party preident Dyson nearly choked on her orange juice. :-)Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156211515827767942006-08-22T13:51:00.000+12:002006-08-22T13:51:00.000+12:00Ah, so cynical in ones so young. :-)"Were any Mao...Ah, so cynical in ones so young. :-)<BR/><BR/>"Were any Maori employers there? Any viewpoint expressed?"<BR/><BR/>If there were, they were very quiet about it.Peter Cresswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156211414560021702006-08-22T13:50:00.000+12:002006-08-22T13:50:00.000+12:00Breakfast with Sue Bradford & Ruth Dyson? And you...Breakfast with Sue Bradford & Ruth Dyson? And you didn't choke on your cornies?!<BR/><BR/>I tend to agree with both anon & Lindsay. Talk's cheap - especially from politicians - and even taking into account Tariana Turia's speech to this yr's Act conf stating that (and I'm paraphrasing) welfare was detrimental to Maori.<BR/><BR/>I might be less skeptical when she and Sharples actually *do* something, but I'm not holding my breath. Specially as they're part of the govt.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, were they there, PC?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156208775697317672006-08-22T13:06:00.000+12:002006-08-22T13:06:00.000+12:00Spot on, anon. Even Pita Sharples seems to have ch...Spot on, anon. Even Pita Sharples seems to have changed his mind. Actually creating opportunities for Maori would mean they couldn't default to victim status whenever it suits.<BR/>Peter, Were any Maori employers there? Any viewpoint expressed?Lindsay Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1156206870768273372006-08-22T12:34:00.000+12:002006-08-22T12:34:00.000+12:00Nah,Every new political party needs a sour, bitter...Nah,<BR/>Every new political party needs a sour, bitter, angry and disenfranchised underclass to be its activist group if it is ever going to make it into the big time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com