tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post114860263620652648..comments2024-03-22T11:55:50.335+13:00Comments on Not PC: Annette Presley: The face of threatsPeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-43443716255879720792010-10-10T17:36:54.123+13:002010-10-10T17:36:54.123+13:00Annette Presley (among others) used the government...Annette Presley (among others) used the government to expropriate property rights that were assigned to Telecom. Telecom did not voluntarily enter into this. Unbundling means nationalisation and this IS theft of private property. Legalised theft it may be, however theft it is.<br /><br />Annette Presley (and her other cheerleaders) are thieves dressed in suits who use the government to bully others into obtaining what they want.<br /><br />Of course no-one is advoating that people invade her home, breaching her individual and personal property rights. But this is exactly the point Peter is making. If she feels so strongly about the importance of property and individual rights, why then does she go around demanding that the property rights of others be breached. ie Telecom? (Remember Individual rights include the rights to property)<br /><br />JulianJulianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105977816595973510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148901107536747562006-05-29T23:11:00.000+12:002006-05-29T23:11:00.000+12:00Freedom isn't free. PC offers us a value (the defe...Freedom isn't free. PC offers us a value (the defence of freedom), and we who value it pay to make sure we can continue to consume it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148713121177079202006-05-27T18:58:00.000+12:002006-05-27T18:58:00.000+12:00If it were me, I wouldn't take down the comments. ...If it were me, I wouldn't take down the comments. But don't fool yourself that a judge is likely to regard your comments as opinion. As someone said the definition of theft is taking without right. The whole point of the unbundling is that it would give others the legal right to use Telecom's lines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148690273285971222006-05-27T12:37:00.000+12:002006-05-27T12:37:00.000+12:00The question for me is if Annette's winning agains...The question for me is if Annette's winning against Telecom for Unbundling will do any good for us low income earners here in Otara and whole of South Auckland? Or perhaps she is targeting her service to be available only in Remuera and the affluent areas. I would support her if she means what she says. If she is paying lip service to the potential benefits to New Zealanders with unbundling of the local loop, then I think that she is a true hypocrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148682592786439002006-05-27T10:29:00.000+12:002006-05-27T10:29:00.000+12:00Great job! Not only did you take your opponent's p...Great job! Not only did you take your opponent's point to an extreme to give them verbal smack with their own line of B.S. - you have written proof of your victory! Well, now we can add "sore loser" to "theiving bitch".<BR/><BR/>On the paypal thing....<BR/>Do you have to change it to NZD? As a product of the US public school system, I'm probably not smart enough to convert to NZD. My lazy typing of $5 or $10 goes further if it's not changed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148681614270892372006-05-27T10:13:00.000+12:002006-05-27T10:13:00.000+12:00I'd delete the post as requested and rewrite it in...I'd delete the post as requested and rewrite it in less inflammatory language but making the same underlying point. Be clear that, in your opinion, Annette is supporting the theft of Telecom's property, since this is a position that is clearly not defamatory. Don't include the bit about breaking into he house, that was unnecessary and is by far their strongest point against you. Do make sure to include a new section about what a thin skinned, litigious, cow you think she is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148680494758749612006-05-27T09:54:00.001+12:002006-05-27T09:54:00.001+12:00truth and honest opinion are defences for defamati...truth and honest opinion are defences for defamatin, sure, but do you honestly believe section 2 and are prepared to back it up in court? If not, then I`d reword it, if so, we`ll just do a blog campign like we did with the case over in the US and let peole know that even in NZ some lawyers are bully boysSwimminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913329810121951824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148680461402664642006-05-27T09:54:00.000+12:002006-05-27T09:54:00.000+12:00Don't take seriously the woman who is so stupid sh...Don't take seriously the woman who is so stupid she thinks Whangarei is a rural area, and doesn't know where Ruatoria is.<BR/><BR/>see http://agendatv.itmsconnect.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1038Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03143204319427258454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148680418575324482006-05-27T09:53:00.000+12:002006-05-27T09:53:00.000+12:00PC, see if you can get the paypal currency convert...PC, see if you can get the paypal currency converted to NZD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148679290494256162006-05-27T09:34:00.000+12:002006-05-27T09:34:00.000+12:00I note virtually all your detractors are anonymous...I note virtually all your detractors are anonymous, lurkers who waited for the day something like this would happen so they could crawl out of the woodwork and post detracting comments anonymously. <BR/><BR/>I completely agree with Duncan and Julian. The context of the comments make clear that you believe that theft is still theft even if the government says it's OK. Do not back down an inch.<BR/><BR/>I suggest others here join me in contributing towards a legal defence fund.<BR/><BR/>To those of us who value freedom, it's time to stand behind one of freedom's greatest champions on the 'net. Put your money where your convictions are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148676900742688322006-05-27T08:55:00.000+12:002006-05-27T08:55:00.000+12:00Sooner or later the right blogsphere's penchant fo...Sooner or later the right blogsphere's penchant for bad taste personal attacks was going to get someone bitten on the bum. My advice is to swallow hard, apologise for the personal insult, learn your lesson and move on.Sanctuaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03107330732524823291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148672825342697282006-05-27T07:47:00.000+12:002006-05-27T07:47:00.000+12:00How about 'major beneficiary of theft'?How about 'major beneficiary of theft'?writeupshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10057193171193748847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148653923702273182006-05-27T02:32:00.000+12:002006-05-27T02:32:00.000+12:00She can't be "the face of theft" because that hono...She can't be "the face of theft" because that honour belongs elsewhere.<BR/>http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/images/events/cullen.png<BR/>How about "cheerleader for theft"?Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04193273919067123296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148646512296316082006-05-27T00:28:00.000+12:002006-05-27T00:28:00.000+12:00"yalnikim said"[I'm sure any good lawyer will quit..."yalnikim said"<BR/>[I'm sure any good lawyer will quite comfortably prove that in court]<BR/><BR/>Lawyers are the parasites of the society. Meaning, that they don't produce wealth, they only leeched money off from the productive such as Lowndes from Annette's purse. They don't produce any tangible things that contribute to the advancement to civilization. <BR/><BR/>"yalnikim said"<BR/>[I'd defend myself and take it to the media.]<BR/><BR/>I have forwarded this web page to a mate in Beijing, China to copy and published from his site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148643186250237522006-05-26T23:33:00.000+12:002006-05-26T23:33:00.000+12:00What the hell has the thieving bitch got to compla...What the hell has the thieving bitch got to complain about...? that she's been exposed...? awwwww diddums!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148639453939363762006-05-26T22:30:00.000+12:002006-05-26T22:30:00.000+12:00I suggest you propose a duel.I volunteer as your s...I suggest you propose a duel.<BR/><BR/>I volunteer as your second.<BR/><BR/>It would beat waiting around to see what waipiro you reccomend on beer o'clock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148638631859404392006-05-26T22:17:00.000+12:002006-05-26T22:17:00.000+12:00This blog is a political protest against what Pete...This blog is a political protest against what Peter thinks is wrong with our country. I'm sure any good lawyer will quite comfortably prove that in court. Both the historical content of this blog and common law have good precedent to see him home and laughing. I'd defend myself and take it to the media. I'm sure we can all drum up the right sort of support. <BR/><BR/>Again, I don't agree with a lot of what Peter says in this blog. His taste in art is dubious, at best. His taste in architecture only ok (good on the bridges) and although his taste in beer critics is quite superb (by the way, where is "Beer O'Clock" you wanker! - please don't sue me for that PC), his idea of universal and absolute property rights is bordering on juvenile (from the juvenile side!). However, his right to those opinions, and my right to mine, is the most important things we have.<BR/><BR/>The decision is all your Peter. My opinion of you will not change from how you handle this. My opinion of Annette Presley is that she is spineless scum. Instead of arguing her point or turning away, she chooses to send her nerdy bully boys over.Stu as "Stu"https://www.blogger.com/profile/18149338083993651285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148637482082488572006-05-26T21:58:00.000+12:002006-05-26T21:58:00.000+12:00I would clarify that you did not intend to incite ...I would clarify that you did not intend to incite burglary against her, but also point out her own defamation against Telecom and that you were making a political statement regarding her own belief that the state should confiscate the property rights of Telecom for her own benefit. If need be, define theft on the article and point that out to the lawyers - it shows good faith, but also point out that your defence is truth.<BR/><BR/>Bitch she is - loves the limelight, unless she is being challenged. Vapid attention seeker if ever there was one.Libertyscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741049550997300680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148634302730802582006-05-26T21:05:00.000+12:002006-05-26T21:05:00.000+12:00Why don't you take a vote. that's what you normall...Why don't you take a vote. that's what you normally do when you are being asked to apologise for outrageous or untrue things on your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148633738809040952006-05-26T20:55:00.000+12:002006-05-26T20:55:00.000+12:00Peter - I think a withdrawal and apology for the m...Peter - I think a withdrawal and apology for the more gratuitous insults would serve to reduce the likelihood of a costly settlement. There is a chance that a judge might consider it opinion, but the judge is much more likely to be offended by the tone of the comments and find against you. ON the other hand rolling over is not your style and calling it theft is perfectly reasonable opinion. In your position I would withdraw & apologise on the second and third points but refuse to budge on the first. That is a defensible position although you should consider a judge must determine that the government acted legitimately and as a matter of fact Presley has not "stolen" anything. She has been a face pushing for legalised theft by the government of private property rights. <BR/>It would require rewriting & updating the offending posts.sagenzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01744450094262287770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148632551325530552006-05-26T20:35:00.000+12:002006-05-26T20:35:00.000+12:00I think that Peter is about to learn that freedom ...I think that Peter is about to learn that freedom of speech comes with a price if you are too liberal with gratuituous insults and comments that are potentially defamatory. What sounded clever at the time has clearly sounded less clever as time has marched on. <BR/><BR/>I suspect Peter will remove the comments, because for all his bluster he won't have the guts or money to take on a wealthy angry woman when she can quite happily grind him away with ongoing legal fees that he probably can't afford. <BR/><BR/>First rule of defamation law - barristers at ten paces, wallets on ready.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148626185478237342006-05-26T18:49:00.000+12:002006-05-26T18:49:00.000+12:00F vowel etcIt seemed like an act of solidarity fro...F vowel etc<BR/><BR/>It seemed like an act of solidarity from Latitude45South to me.<BR/><BR/>So what is the problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148623074275532122006-05-26T17:57:00.000+12:002006-05-26T17:57:00.000+12:00Anonymous said..."You just cannot trust the intern...Anonymous said...<BR/>"You just cannot trust the internet?"<BR/><BR/>Are you daft ? It happens right now in the WWW universe. It is OK to spread and republish the articles so that GOOGLE crawler can find them and index, therefore propelling Annette's theft to to the top spot in searching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148622601905398022006-05-26T17:50:00.000+12:002006-05-26T17:50:00.000+12:00You just ca not trust the internet!Some bastard ha...You just ca not trust the internet!<BR/>Some bastard has plagerised one of PC's finest, verbatim!<BR/>check out:<BR/>http://latitude45south.blogspot.com/2006/05/annette-presley-face-of-theft-03-may.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148617996944672432006-05-26T16:33:00.000+12:002006-05-26T16:33:00.000+12:00Peter,I disagree with at least half the stuff you ...Peter,<BR/>I disagree with at least half the stuff you say on this site, which varies between crazy rants and superb beer analysis ;-), but I whole-heartedly agree with your right to express your "opinion".<BR/>If it goes to court I will brew you a special celebratory ale, for you and your friends to celebrate the victory with.<BR/>Slainte mhath<BR/>StuStu as "Stu"https://www.blogger.com/profile/18149338083993651285noreply@blogger.com