tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post114817477976345573..comments2024-03-22T11:55:50.335+13:00Comments on Not PC: Sprawl: A compact historyPeter Cresswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10699845031503699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148509172551154322006-05-25T10:19:00.000+12:002006-05-25T10:19:00.000+12:00The funniest thing about efficious pimply faced po...The funniest thing about efficious pimply faced poofters is it's so easy to push the appropriate buttons thereby eliciting a cot/toy throwing episode. oooh matron, my sincere apologies for not adhereing to the rules of informal logic. Shame on me. <BR/><BR/>I suppose it's a bit like playing with a furby, fun for a few minutes before you become utterly bored.<BR/><BR/>http://ontic.blogspot.com/Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148478342143849772006-05-25T01:45:00.000+12:002006-05-25T01:45:00.000+12:00Dear SteveNice comeback. Anyone who disagrees with...Dear Steve<BR/>Nice comeback. Anyone who disagrees with me is fucked in the head. OK, your call on that one.<BR/><BR/>Never read an Ayn Rand book in my life. Didn't do first year philosophy. So?<BR/><BR/><I>Anyone seriously trying to argue that urban sprawl is a good thing, is seriously fucked in the head.<BR/><BR/>I think that's a given.<BR/><BR/>And, that really is the point.</I><BR/><BR/>Let's see... ad hominem (sorry, I didn't do Latin either), begging the question and then a deductive fallacy. Crikey mate, you'd better get back to your first year logic class.Chefenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289410673738589937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148457492904091102006-05-24T19:58:00.000+12:002006-05-24T19:58:00.000+12:00"seriously fucked in the head" well done Steve. T..."seriously fucked in the head" well done Steve. That's not first year studies, unless you mean first year at high school.<BR/><BR/>I guess there is a shortage of land for non housing purposes in that tiny country called the USA?<BR/><BR/>Tell me how high density housing, funded or forced by local authorities has been a social good? I don't want to live in a fucking high rise apartment - if you do Steve, then good for you, you can share it with the rest of those who have no other option but live in highrise blocks of despair.<BR/><BR/>You're planning fascism is what spawned the 1950s/1960s tower block hellholes of the US, UK and elsewhere - and those places are still getting over the vision of little self-righteous do-gooding wankers who thought it would SO wonderful for low income people to be in high rise communities with open spaces below them, and close to the public transport they thought it would be good for them to use.<BR/><BR/>and they are accountable for no one for what a disaster it was.Libertyscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741049550997300680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148441081066982292006-05-24T15:24:00.000+12:002006-05-24T15:24:00.000+12:00Steve - Anyone who believes that sprawl's antithes...Steve - Anyone who believes that sprawl's antithesis, namely high-density housing, is a good thing, is seriously fucked in the head and fucking society up the arse, like our city government is currently doing in my town.Deadmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08449318388713585299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148439556815970072006-05-24T14:59:00.000+12:002006-05-24T14:59:00.000+12:00Furthermore, Anyone seriously trying to argue that...Furthermore, <BR/><BR/>Anyone seriously trying to argue that urban sprawl is a good thing, is seriously fucked in the head. <BR/><BR/>I think that's a given. <BR/><BR/>And, that really is the point. <BR/><BR/>However, Libertarians, seemingly obsessed with first year informal logic will argue a shit sandwich is good, in the face of advice to the contrary.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148439144083842792006-05-24T14:52:00.000+12:002006-05-24T14:52:00.000+12:00Dear Chefen, I think you are confusing non-sequite...Dear Chefen, <BR/><BR/>I think you are confusing non-sequiter with smart-arse comment. There is a distinction.<BR/><BR/>No everything written here (from my observation) is a "well structured argument" so drop the wanky puffed up hubris mate. Just because you did a first year philosophy paper doesn't mean you're entitled to wander around correcting perceived logical flaws in comments you happen to disagree with. <BR/><BR/>Simply telling me I'm talking a lot of crap would have been better than a weak attempt to flatter your own ego. <BR/><BR/>God, what's with you Ayn Rand obsessors anyway.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148372490526469132006-05-23T20:21:00.000+12:002006-05-23T20:21:00.000+12:00Steve, the critical points are:1. If someone buys ...Steve, the critical points are:<BR/><BR/>1. If someone buys the land or rents it off the owner, why does it matter if a house, apartments, shops, farm or nothing is built on it? Why is it your business?<BR/><BR/>2. Why is your business if someone drives, walks, rides or bikes, as long as you are not made to pay for it or the infrastructure they use?Libertyscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741049550997300680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148285379741191282006-05-22T20:09:00.000+12:002006-05-22T20:09:00.000+12:00Geez Steve, how many non-sequitirs can you get in ...Geez Steve, how many non-sequitirs can you get in there?<BR/><BR/>Gobbles up productive land? No, it doesn't.<BR/>Jump in SUVs? No, look round an average suburb.<BR/><BR/>You totally miss the point anyway. Suppose you are right and there is this mass flight from the burbs... Well so what? Means that people are doing it rationally for themselves. Suppose you're wrong though, then what are you going to do if they stay and more people want to move out there?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, the burbs aren't going away soon. Even if oil rises over 100 there are trains, busses and shock horror *other vehicles* to buy.<BR/><BR/>Conflict between what you want and can actually have? Well that is life after all. The point you might have missed in Bruegman's article is that it is universally better if people figure it out for themselves rather than having regulations telling them they can't live where they'd prefer.Chefenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289410673738589937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148259844541589932006-05-22T13:04:00.000+12:002006-05-22T13:04:00.000+12:00Just found an alternative to PC's view on Bruegman...Just found an alternative to PC's view on Bruegmans ideas - <BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.kunstler.com/homebody.html<BR/><BR/>SNIP: <BR/><BR/>"There is a species of fatuous thinking these days in America which states, in so many words, that suburbia is fine and dandy because so many people like it. Variations on this theme range from the idea that suburbia is the highest expression of free markets, to the notion that it is the natural outcome of our democracy, to the belief that God has ordained it. "Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148259517431821982006-05-22T12:58:00.000+12:002006-05-22T12:58:00.000+12:00I think suburbia (and the associated sprawl) was a...I think suburbia (and the associated sprawl) was a living arrangement that suited the post WW2 age. But it's really a gross waste of resources. It gobbles up productive land so that people can live in car-dependant culdesacs. <BR/><BR/>Suburbia is really nothing more than a rural halfway house. I think the entire suburban project is a delusional enterprise predicated on the ability of everyone to jump in their SUV and drive 60k everyday to and from their work places. Once this sort of behaviour becomes problematic so too will the living arrangement that depends upon it. <BR/><BR/>To be honest the majority of New Zealanders with 2.3 kids, mortgaged to the hilt and earning less than 45k a year are going to find the suburban dream quickly descend into a nightmare as the decade draws to a close and oil moves beyond $100 a barrel. <BR/><BR/>I think there will be a mad rush to get out of the suburbs. I think the last thing we need is to be perpetuating the false belief in the average punter that the use of resources in this way (more suburban sprawl) is sustainable. <BR/><BR/>There ends up being a conflict between what you might want and what you can actually have.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06975015072654786816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11906042.post-1148217377797902652006-05-22T01:16:00.000+12:002006-05-22T01:16:00.000+12:00A fascinating and contrarian take on a key issue. ...A fascinating and contrarian take on a key issue. I think your argument has lots of merits, but then i'm a child of sprawling American 1960s suburbia and stranger yet a suburbia which was never really connected to a larger urban metro center (Tallahassee, FL and the surrounding four county area plus the highway band through borderland South Georgia quail hunting plantations–where jJackie O hid out after Dallas '63–on the way to Thomasville, GA). In Gloria Jahoda's famous words, 1960s Tallahassee was "two hundred miles from anywhere else."G. E. Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940598194009064484noreply@blogger.com